Dicdonya
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Burns and Dillon got better defensively imo.
True, I will definitely agree with Dillon. Burns is debatable to me, but I wont argue over it.
Burns and Dillon got better defensively imo.
So what aspects of team defense can be improved? Positioning, deployment, etc.?
We may have all those things, but what you left out is that we also have a **** offensive line that is causing that quarterback to have to scramble all over, and out of the pocket and makes throws under duress very often. That might not be a problem for a different QB who is more mobile, but our QB struggles when forced out of the pocket. The worst part is, our coach seems unable to recognize our QB's clear weakness when scrambling, and has done nothing to adjust the schemes to get him more protection so he can stay in the pocket and play his game.
This has been my defense all season of Jones. Yes he is sucking this year, anyone who wants to claim otherwise is dumb, however its equally stupid to pretend that our defense is not helping him suck ass. Deboer is the problem, he was at the beginning of the year before our stacked roster just started outscoring our problems, and he still is now but our offense has dried up so its visible. Luckily DW and anyone else that matters decided to take the Kurz approach and just pretend Deboer has been a super wonderful coach, and anything short of complete and utter disaster will allow him to continue being our coach.
This is also why I do not jump down Vlasic or Braun's throat like so many here have, I really think Deboer has a system in place that is antithetical to defensive players. Just ask yourself, what player on the team has actually gotten better defensively under Deboer? I cannot think of one, yet I can think of several who have gotten worse, and when all of our goalies, and our two best defensive defenders, plus a few others, start declining like clockwork every year since Deboer has been here, culminating in one of, if not the worst defensive teams we have had in the last decade or more, despite having one of, if not the most, stacked defensive cores/team we have ever had, I just cannot see that as anything but a failure in coaching.
Maybe its all just coincidence, and Jones, Dell, Vlasic, Braun, Cooch etc all just started getting worse right after Deboer got here, and he is the victim of an aging and declining team falling off all at the same time, but geez that is a hard thing for me to believe, especially when many of the same players are simultaneously doing better or equal offensively at the same time.
Sorry, I think I saw this comment before in a different thread and I didn’t respond to it it.
I’m not an expert or a coach, so I can’t be 100% certain of how to fix it. But the biggest issue that I can see is defensemen pinching for keep-ins at the opposing blue line, which frequently leads to odd-man rushes. They do it way too frequently and in situations where it’s pretty obviously not a good idea, which makes me think it’s something that the coach is pressing them to do. They also force D->D blue line passes and blue line shots way too frequently in the O-Zone which feeds the opposing transition when the passes aren’t completed or the shots get blocked.
In the defensive zone, I do think they do too much man chasing like Hohos mentioned. I actually don’t think their defensive zone coverage is the biggest issue, but it’s also not very good.
The one guy that I want to center in on is Joakim Ryan. He’s been absolutely terrible since coming back in the lineup, and I think it’s because the coaching staff has pressed him to be more aggressive. I mean, DeBoer basically said that he wanted him to replace Simek’s aggressiveness, and Ryan said that was what he was trying to do. The result is that he’s playing the worst hockey of his career.
Dillon has been trash of late but the bigger problem is that too often when defending in our zone, both D are away from the net and around the boards staying with their man and being caught on the same side of the ice. That's got to stop. They need to switch off and cover the dangerous areas rather than pursuing a puck carrier on the perimeter.
The one guy that I want to center in on is Joakim Ryan. He’s been absolutely terrible since coming back in the lineup, and I think it’s because the coaching staff has pressed him to be more aggressive. I mean, DeBoer basically said that he wanted him to replace Simek’s aggressiveness, and Ryan said that was what he was trying to do. The result is that he’s playing the worst hockey of his career.
I strongly believe Dillon regressing has to do with him being paired up with a boat anchor in Braun.
It could be but I've seen him have some shifts with Heed and still look not like himself from the first two-thirds of the season.
Losing an all-world defensive partner sadly leads to regression heh :/
Absolutely agreeWe may have all those things, but what you left out is that we also have a **** offensive line that is causing that quarterback to have to scramble all over, and out of the pocket and makes throws under duress very often. That might not be a problem for a different QB who is more mobile, but our QB struggles when forced out of the pocket. The worst part is, our coach seems unable to recognize our QB's clear weakness when scrambling, and has done nothing to adjust the schemes to get him more protection so he can stay in the pocket and play his game.
This has been my defense all season of Jones. Yes he is sucking this year, anyone who wants to claim otherwise is dumb, however its equally stupid to pretend that our defense is not helping him suck ass. Deboer is the problem, he was at the beginning of the year before our stacked roster just started outscoring our problems, and he still is now but our offense has dried up so its visible. Luckily DW and anyone else that matters decided to take the Kurz approach and just pretend Deboer has been a super wonderful coach, and anything short of complete and utter disaster will allow him to continue being our coach.
This is also why I do not jump down Vlasic or Braun's throat like so many here have, I really think Deboer has a system in place that is antithetical to defensive players. Just ask yourself, what player on the team has actually gotten better defensively under Deboer? I cannot think of one, yet I can think of several who have gotten worse, and when all of our goalies, and our two best defensive defenders, plus a few others, start declining like clockwork every year since Deboer has been here, culminating in one of, if not the worst defensive teams we have had in the last decade or more, despite having one of, if not the most, stacked defensive cores/team we have ever had, I just cannot see that as anything but a failure in coaching.
Maybe its all just coincidence, and Jones, Dell, Vlasic, Braun, Cooch etc all just started getting worse right after Deboer got here, and he is the victim of an aging and declining team falling off all at the same time, but geez that is a hard thing for me to believe, especially when many of the same players are simultaneously doing better or equal offensively at the same time.
There were times away from Karlsson and Burns that Dillon still looked very solid. There's no discounting not playing with Karlsson obviously but he's played much better than this on his own and I suspect will get back to that eventually. I'm starting to lean more towards benching Braun for Heed when Karlsson comes back but I know it won't happen and it would probably tank his trade value in the off-season more than it already has. I still have confidence he can be moved for a 2nd or 3rd at this stage. I'm hoping we can tag something else with him whether it's Dell or Melker but I'm not getting my hopes up there anymore.
The system employed should best match the skills of the talent available to you. If the coaching staff is trying to smash square pegs into round holes then that is on them for poor utilization and deployment of the types of players available to them. From what has been discussed in this thread, it sounds like a scheme or philosophy change is warranted.
Sadly, the offense might then be neutered with Sutter in here.This team desperately needs defensive structure and discipline. Someone like Sutter could instill that but it's too late now. We're stuck with watching the d-man pinch every time even though the forwards are stuck deep in the O-zone and can't cover so it leads to odd man rushes and breakaways which also happen to be our goalie's weakness. A coach is supposed to figure out a way to cover up weaknesses but Deboer is doing the opposite.
Sadly, the offense might then be neutered with Sutter in here.
It would be 38 shots a night, with 23 of them being from the point or dead angles. See how many pucks you can throw at Malcolm Subban's feet before one goes in and with Malcolm Subban, you might get 3 or 4 goals on him, but on someone like Fleury? Not so much.
Sutter officially retired from coaching last year, although I know said some like Sutter and not necessarily the actual Sutter.
I'm not too into Guy Boucher, but it's hard to tell if he sucks or if it's all because of the teams he's coached.If Karlsson re-signs I wouldn’t be entirely opposed to Guy Boucher and building the trap around Karlsson/Burns/Vlasic. Maybe not a great idea but just a thought.
... I think it’s because the coaching staff has pressed him to be more aggressive. I mean, DeBoer basically said that he wanted him to replace Simek’s aggressiveness, and Ryan said that was what he was trying to do. The result is that he’s playing the worst hockey of his career.
Funny enough, if Martin Jones stays at his current rate this season, then we will win the Stanley Cup.
Currently he allows less goals then the opposition goalie on 60.3% of the time. If he continues that every series, that will essentially win us the cup.
I know you're kidding, but goalie wins are a crap stat to judge a goalie by.
I always thought SV% was the best stat to judge goalies but some people on this forums have just blamed the defense for Jones horrid SV%. So I guess there is no stat to judge goalies by anymore.
I always thought SV% was the best stat to judge goalies but some people on this forums have just blamed the defense for Jones horrid SV%. So I guess there is no stat to judge goalies by anymore.