JackSlater
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Karlsson and I hope that his ankle never gets cut.
Brian Leetch is losing this poll?
I also think the age of posters comes into play. I am 40 now so I got to see Leetch and the other 2. At peak E.K is imo the best then Doughty then Leetch however Leetch was better longer so you end up with a useful player rather than an 11+million anchor
When both defenders are on their game, Karlsson is unquestionably the better player, how can you even make that as your argument? He's outplayed him in everything.
Olympics, playoffs, you name it. Only thing Karlsson doesn't have is a Cup, by that same measure, he also doesn't have Quick, Kopitar, Carter etc...
Still underrated.Brian Leetch is losing this poll?
Still underrated.
I can understand picking Doughty because he's a different player, but I'm not sure how folks are picking Karlsson.
Leetch was a better version of Karlsson.
Is it?Leetch was better defensively, but Karlsson's scoring is clearly better relative to the league though. I think it's close but edge to Karlsson
Karlsson.
Especially because this is pre-injury Karlsson.
A generational offensive talent who can skate like he was born with skates on.
He almost singlehandedly dragged his team to the Stanley Cup Finals.
Put him on the Rangers or Kings and he would impress even more.
Maybe im under rating Leetch then but I did see him play im 47. I just remember him as a offensive power house but not the best defender. I'd still take Doughty though over both.Leetch was a really solid defence man. This isn't Phil Housley or Coffey - Leetch was very good in the defensive zone. The only knock on Leetch was that he wasn't physical nor as good as Bourque (no one was/has been) but the game has kinda changed to suit Leetch's skills even more.
One of the smoothest and calmest (on ice) players of all-time and one of the best ever at exiting the zone and transitioning up ice.
Is it?
Leetch had 79 points in the middle of the dead puck era.
Please explain. Does playing for those two particular teams automatically make a player more impressive?
Peak Karlsson is the best defensive and offensive player here.
Karlsson put kucherov in his pocket last night and said GG.
Doughty can't control the game like that.
I agree, but in general I would argue Doughty has been "on" more consistently throughout their careers. Though part of that is EK recovering from injuries
Peak Karlsson is the best defensive and offensive player here.
Karlsson put kucherov in his pocket last night and said GG.
Doughty can't control the game like that.
Taking Doughty over Karlsson is akin to taking Toews over Crosby.
Doughty literally just went 58.33% CF% in 13:30 vs. McDavid last night, he only had a couple of 5v5 minutes without him, and had two assists, in addition to killing off 3:42 of 6 PIM.
Real poor choice of words.
Karlsson and I hope that his ankle never gets cut.
This. Doughty is honestly pretty much the epitome of what an elite #1 Defenceman "archetype" would be. The true "do it all" master. There really isn't anything he can't, or wouldn't excel at. Can't turn that down. And he's been that from such a young age too, it fits this poll well.
When both defenders are on their game, Karlsson is unquestionably the better player, how can you even make that as your argument? He's outplayed him in everything.
Olympics, playoffs, you name it. Only thing Karlsson doesn't have is a Cup, by that same measure, he also doesn't have Quick, Kopitar, Carter etc...
I think people forget about how good of a player Doughty was in the 2 Olympics he played in.
He also outscored Karlsson (a year earlier) in the WHC-A at age 19 for both of them.
Karlsson also has had a slower start to his career, something you forgot to mention.
Karlsson was voted best defenceman in U-18 WC in 2008.
Karlsson was voted best defenceman in JWC in 2009.
Karlsson has played once in the Olympics, voted best defenceman (2014).
Can not find the info about who was voted best defenceman in the joke tournament World Cup, in 2016. Does anyone have a link?
If you can pick a player's absolute "peak", I'd take Karlsson. In his prime, he was unstoppable.
And it still wasn't so long ago when he dragged the Senators to the ECF on one ankle. One of the best playoff performances I've seen in recent memory.