Phoenix XLVIII: Of Mice and Lieberman

[blues10]

...no kidding. Ive been screaming about that one for ages. The Tohonos are a solution, not a problem. HOWEVER, that being said, there are some serious questions that need to be addressed & answered satisfactorily by the Tribe before anything moves forward. Their acquisition of the land itself was far from Kosher, as they claimed it under a dummy corporation, sat on it, said nothing, then when development encroached, revealed themselves as the owners with the Casino plans in a "were doing this and you cant stop us" in your face delivery that needs straightening right out. But ya, Id be working on that one for sure. Hundreds of millions potentially. You want a Sports & Entertainment Center?. Here ya go, gambling included, though tell ya what, the citizenry of Glendale arent big on it, the gambling aspects, fearing its ills, crime....

The COG has dealt with the likes of Ellman, Moyes and the NHL so I am sure they would be able to work with this group assuming they actually filled out some paperwork instead of handshakes.

These two groups actually need each other and could exist in a symbiotic relationship. Clark is so afraid that people might leave the casino drunk and drive in the their cars. I guess she has never been to the yardhouse, saddle ranch or margaritaville on gamedays.

Tohonos and the COG a match made in heaven. Call it a win win for everyone involved.

 

[Niagara67]

L'ill Gary and Willy D. could sell snow to a person living in Nunavut.

Hey, I lived in Nunavut for 3 years (except it was still part of the Northwest Territories back then). Playing ball hockey in -45 does wonders for your lungs.

 

[Cryogenic Man]

Just listened to the Glendale city council meeting. I thought there was going to be optimism in regards to everything that happened last night.

Oh boy was I wrong!

Scruggs wants the Coyotes replaced, so does Lieberman. Martinez surprised me. Although he is for the Coyotes, he said that he understands peoples concerns with the notion of Glendale giving away money and that he hopes they can negotiate a lower AMF and get the best possible deal for the city of Glendale. Councilwoman Knaack said that she supports the Coyotes but that she sides with Martinez's line of thinking and hopes for the best deal for the city of Glendale.

The residents from Glendale that spoke, spoke business and were mostly against the Coyotes staying. The ones that did want them to stay were speaking from a fans point of view, except for one and she was so confused with the numbers that the mayor asked her for her e-mail so that she can review the details of the deal in regards to revenue and payment as to be clear about it.

Overall, I think we are still away from closing in on a deal to keep the Coyotes in Glendale.

 

[TheLegend]

The COG should be doing this with the Tohonos, in exchange for not opposing their casino. They could ask for $17 million the 1st year followed by $20 million the next 4 years and totalling an average of 14.5 million a year over the next 20 years.

Brain dead simple really.

Except Glendale isn't the only entity opposing the Tohonos.

The other tribes in the state are also opposing it, and have indicated they would continue to no matter what Glendale does.

 

[RAgIn]

Just listened to the Glendale city council meeting. I thought there was going to be optimism in regards to everything that happened last night.

Oh boy was I wrong!

Scruggs wants the Coyotes replaced, so does Lieberman. Martinez surprised me. Although he is for the Coyotes, he said that he understands peoples concerns with the notion of Glendale giving away money and that he hopes they can negotiate a lower AMF and get the best possible deal for the city of Glendale. Councilwoman Knaack said that she supports the Coyotes but that she sides with Martinez's line of thinking and hopes for the best deal for the city of Glendale.

The residents from Glendale that spoke, spoke business and were mostly against the Coyotes staying. The ones that did want them to stay were speaking from a fans point of view, except for one and she was so confused with the numbers that the mayor asked her for her e-mail so that she can review the details of the deal in regards to revenue and payment as to be clear about it.

Overall, I think we are still away from closing in on a deal to keep the Coyotes in Glendale.

Im assuming that the Coyotes 'brief' appeared at the end of the council meeting?

 

[blues10]

Except Glendale isn't the only entity opposing the Tohonos.

The other tribes in the state are also opposing it, and have indicated they would continue to no matter what Glendale does.

Plan C, out the window.

 

[Killion]

Tohonos and the COG a match made in heaven. Call it a win win for everyone involved.

... that it is, and initially the Tohonos' pledged to pay a flat 10% tax on gross from proceeds including hotels etc. Glendale claimed it wouldnt be enough to cover infrastructure (sewers, lighting, fire etc), their plans not part of the cities Master Municipal Plans yadda yadda yadda. Bitter & very expensive court battles followed alienating the tribe altogether. Hopefully common sense will eventually prevail but it may be too late to stave off relocation if Jamison turns out to be a shill for the NHL.

If it does get up & going though, absolutely a win-win-win. For Westgate as well. They finally got an anchor of sorts with Tanger, the COG resisting the big box developments, and once one of them goes in, more will follow, stabilizing the retail market considerably & seriously increasing traffic/taxes. Then theres the up-coming contract awarded to nearby Luke AFB that worth tens upon hundreds of million more to the local economy. Everyone dwells on the negatives, but tell ya what, Phoenix & Glendale is punching its way out of this mess, and with some modest economic recovery this is all very much viable & doable. Call me crazy, but I believe this can be fixed, succeed. Recovery's already happening.

 

[Cryogenic Man]

Im assuming that the Coyotes 'brief' appeared at the end of the council meeting?

Yes. People spoke and then the council members had their say. Mayor spoke last. She doesn't give a **** about the Coyotes no more. She said she didn't take an oath to enrich businesses but to protect residents and make Glendale a wonderful place to live. It's a little hypocritical and late but she's there now.

 

[Whileee]

Perhaps he thinks it's the city of Hamilton's fault?

Actually, I think we can more confidently blame the town of Seaforth, Ontario, which spawned Jim Balsillie.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have met the enemy, and the enemy is...

 

[Jesus Christ Horburn]

Where's the guy who sometimes transcribes COG council meetings? lol

 

[Whileee]

Just listened to the Glendale city council meeting. I thought there was going to be optimism in regards to everything that happened last night.

Oh boy was I wrong!

Scruggs wants the Coyotes replaced, so does Lieberman. Martinez surprised me. Although he is for the Coyotes, he said that he understands peoples concerns with the notion of Glendale giving away money and that he hopes they can negotiate a lower AMF and get the best possible deal for the city of Glendale. Councilwoman Knaack said that she supports the Coyotes but that she sides with Martinez's line of thinking and hopes for the best deal for the city of Glendale.

The residents from Glendale that spoke, spoke business and were mostly against the Coyotes staying. The ones that did want them to stay were speaking from a fans point of view, except for one and she was so confused with the numbers that the mayor asked her for her e-mail so that she can review the details of the deal in regards to revenue and payment as to be clear about it.

Overall, I think we are still away from closing in on a deal to keep the Coyotes in Glendale.

Meanwhile, the erstwhile saviors of the Coyotes, IEH, is turning the screws by offering a lower figure for the arena management fee. Great timing, IEH! Just when a deal is poised and there is a cloak of secrecy over the actual cost of running the arena to ward off the GWI, IEH walks in and says that they'll provide a "Plan B" and manage the arena for less than $10 million. Thanks for the help, guys.

 

[Jesus Christ Horburn]

Meanwhile, the erstwhile saviors of the Coyotes, IEH, is turning the screws by offering a lower figure for the arena management fee. Great timing, IEH! Just when a deal is poised and there is a cloak of secrecy over the actual cost of running the arena to ward off the GWI, IEH walks in and says that they'll provide a "Plan B" and manage the arena for less than $10 million. Thanks for the help, guys.

Is Ice Edge actually back in the picture?

If they're involved in any capacity whatsoever, it immediately drops the chances of the deal going through to 1%.

 

[AllByDesign]

I find it difficult to digest the flurry of conversation. How is the estimated playoff ticket price for a franchise that didn't make the playoffs germaine to the topic at hand. You cannot argue the sound a falling tree makes when there isn't anyone around to hear it.

Jetsfan88 cracks me right up too. The balance of this story hangs in the ability of the COG to complete a lease agreement with the potential ownership group, without a death blow from the GWI. I don't care if you have a telepathic connection to Bill Daly himself. That round of cards needs to play out. Inside scoop has no baring on this portion of the story.

Kreskin needs to join our boards. Then life will become truly complete!

 

[OthmarAmmann]

Meanwhile, the erstwhile saviors of the Coyotes, IEH, is turning the screws by offering a lower figure for the arena management fee. Great timing, IEH! Just when a deal is poised and there is a cloak of secrecy over the actual cost of running the arena to ward off the GWI, IEH walks in and says that they'll provide a "Plan B" and manage the arena for less than $10 million. Thanks for the help, guys.

There's ma boys!!

I only wish IceEdgeDJ was still twittering away (his new twitter persona just isn't the same).

I find it difficult to digest the flurry of conversation. How is the estimated playoff ticket price for a franchise that didn't make the playoffs germaine to the topic at hand. You cannot argue the sound a falling tree makes when there isn't anyone around to hear it.

Jetsfan88 cracks me right up too. The balance of this story hangs in the ability of the COG to complete a lease agreement with the potential ownership group, without a death blow from the GWI. I don't care if you have a telepathic connection to Bill Daly himself. That round of cards needs to play out. Inside scoop has no baring on this portion of the story.

Kreskin needs to join our boards. Then life will become truly complete!

It's brain dead simple, sir.

 

[mightyquack]

I am pretty sure what he meant by "hating" is wishing for them to fail, both on and off the ice. Also, acting like they care about what Glendale does with their money and feigning outrage when a deal is close to approval all under the guise of thinking citizens should be angry and shooting this down etc. When, their "hate" is based on just wanting a team to relocate to their city whereever that may be.

He is pointing out something that someone from Winnipeg noticed on another post and aplogized for. Wishing and hoping for a team's demise (see: hating) to fulfill their agenda to get another team without considering the other team's fans.

A lot of people on the "other side" don't see what you're saying, but I do. It is refreshing that someone noticed.

Someone gets it! Hopefully the start of some long term stability for Phoenix

 

[TheLegend]

You believe Expert Bickerer
up page who looks like this...

I believe I posted a link to the article a few days ago Killi that had said info..... I am astonished you would even think for a moment I would mislead anyone.???

 

[wildthing202]

Any updates with the Cards $66.7 million lawsuit? Also the article states that the area has a $35 million deficit in next year's budget. So they got that going for them.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/...inals-threaten-sue-glendale-over-parking.html

 

[TheLegend]

Any updates with the Cards $66.7 million lawsuit? Also the article states that the area has a $35 million deficit in next year's budget. So they got that going for them.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/...inals-threaten-sue-glendale-over-parking.html

The Cardinals have NOT filed any lawsuit. They filed a claim with the city, which could be a precursor to one but doesn't guarantee it.

 

[Whileee]

Is Ice Edge actually back in the picture?

If they're involved in any capacity whatsoever, it immediately drops the chances of the deal going through to 1%.

I don't think that the IEH are involved in the negotiations for the Coyotes sale, per se.

Mayor Scruggs received a letter from one Anthony LeBlanc from the IEH gang offering arena management services at a considerable discount from the $15-20 million being offered by others. He even implied that he had the NHL's blessing for this. Scruggs has apparently taken this seriously enough to now be firmly in the "Plan B" camp.

This all happened while Beasley et al. were slyly concealing any estimates of the actual cost of arena management, lest anyone (e.g. "Instituto Oroagua") determine that they were overpaying for arena management and therefore providing a subsidy. So, either unwittingly, or deliberately (you never can tell with those guys), IEH has planted a stink bomb in the lease negotiations.

 

[CGG]

I am still not convinced GJ even has the investors. smoke and mirrors all of it and most media outlets can't see the trees for all the smoke.

I'm guessing you understand the sale proceedings in St Louis far better than I do. If GJ really does have investors lined up willing to pay $170 million for a team that will lose buckets full of money going forward, and he's the hand-picked white knight with an impeccable pedigree in the eyes of the NHL, why the heck didn't he attempt to buy the St Louis Blues for far less than $170 million after Hulsizer failed miserably?

If you wanted to own an NHL team, wouldn't it make far more sense to save about $50 million and buy the Blues (who might actually turn a profit) instead of the Coyotes???

The Cardinals have NOT filed any lawsuit. They filed a claim with the city, which could be a precursor to one but doesn't guarantee it.

While we're clarifying things, the NHL has NOT reached an agreement with Jamison, and the Coyotes are no closer to staying in Glendale than they were before the staged "meet and greet" with Mr. Jamison on Monday. A lot of people (in the media and otherwise) are still claiming the Coyotes are saved and will be in Glendale long term. Of course nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Do we have a name for the next thread yet? Here's a few suggestions.

Phoenix XLVIV:Throwing The Baby Out With The Goldwater

Phoenix XLVIV: It’s The Lease of Our Worries

Phoenix XLVIV: Cupcake Summit II: Bettman's Revenge

Phoenix XLVIV: Who Let The Dogs Out?

Phoenix XLVIV: One Bourbon, One Scotch, and One Jamison.

 

[Nordskull]

Do we have a name for the next thread yet? Here's a few suggestions.

Phoenix XLVIV:Throwing The Baby Out With The Goldwater

Phoenix XLVIV: It’s The Lease of Our Worries

Phoenix XLVIV: Cupcake Summit II: Bettman's Revenge

Phoenix XLVIV: Who Let The Dogs Out?

Phoenix XLVIV: One Bourbon, One Scotch, and One Jamison.

 

[Slashers98]

The Lease of our worries too!

 

[viper0220]

Do we have a name for the next thread yet? Here's a few suggestions.

Phoenix XLVIV:Throwing The Baby Out With The Goldwater

Phoenix XLVIV: It’s The Lease of Our Worries

Phoenix XLVIV: Cupcake Summit II: Bettman's Revenge

Phoenix XLVIV: Who Let The Dogs Out?

Phoenix XLVIV: One Bourbon, One Scotch, and One Jamison.

Phoenix XLVIV: It’s The Lease of Our Worries is very clever, well done sir. This gets my vote and it is true.

 

[IceCapsFanNL]

Thats three votes for Lease!!