Phoenix XLIX; Smoke & Mirrors

[Melrose Munch]

Relevant, how?

I don't know, some other Winnipeg poster was going off about the ROC paying for the QC arena, when even if that was true, he would not be paying for it. But PS brings up Ontario even though I cleared that so I don't know how ON is relevant.

 

[Free Edler]

Actually, plan D is the plan that will happen, plan B will never happen, plan C does not exist, and plan A is going to fall apart.

The NHL is invested in Phoenix. They've already put this much time - and more importantly, money! - into a team with no owner that was bleeding money. They're going to see it through to a new owner in this market.

 

[Melrose Munch]

The NHL is invested in Phoenix. They've already put this much time - and more importantly, money! - into a team with no owner that was bleeding money. They're going to see it through to a new owner in this market.

Exactly.

I think this gets done. I was rooting for QC but I'm not mad Phoenix gets to keep their team at all, stability is good.

My worry is that this does not get solved and the lockout arrives, scaring off any buyers for good because it shows the NHL is unstable.

 

[JetFan4Ever]

The NHL is invested in Phoenix. They've already put this much time - and more importantly, money! - into a team with no owner that was bleeding money. They're going to see it through to a new owner in this market.

They are invested in the team but if they don't get their money they will leave. While an agreement might get done, when it comes down to it the NHL has shown it is willing to leave the market; they were minutes from moving this team to Winnipeg.

 

[sipowicz]

Exactly.

I think this gets done. I was rooting for QC but I'm not mad Phoenix gets to keep their team at all, stability is good.

My worry is that this does not get solved and the lockout arrives, scaring off any buyers for good because it shows the NHL is unstable.

How is keeping a team in a market where the team has yet to make a profit in 16 years a good thing? Why would the other franchise owners want to keep propping this thing up when the team could be moved to a city like QC where they would be successful and in the top 10 in league revenue like the other 7 Canadian franchises.

You do know that team revenue for the Coyotes is about $50 million a year while expenditures are around $85 million and this with a team near the bottom in salary cap. Please explain how new ownership turns this around.

 

[Killion]

The NHL is invested in Phoenix. They're going to see it through to a new owner in this market.

Yes they have, & Id' "like" to believe that KJP, however, my cynicism says "not so much". Theyve' had the ways & means to get this done for quite some time. When any business or individual with serious money & the ability to take the bull by the horns & effect change takes this much time youve just gotta figure their no longer looking for a way in, their looking for a way out.

 

[aj8000]

The NHL is invested in Phoenix. They've already put this much time - and more importantly, money! - into a team with no owner that was bleeding money. They're going to see it through to a new owner in this market.

You may be right KJP; however, financially, I just do not see it happening. If Phoenix is saved, I will be the first to admit I was wrong; however, I think you will be very surprised when the team moves after the Yotes are out of the playoffs.

 

[yotesreign]

Winnipeg to get a second NHL team??????

You may be right KJP; however, financially, I just do not see it happening. If Phoenix is saved, I will be the first to admit I was wrong; however, I think you will be very surprised when the team moves after the Yotes are out of the playoffs.

Winnipeg to get a second team after the Yotes are out of the playoffs????? Wayne Gretzsky says it doesn't look good right now (for Coyotes to stay)...


















[edit: oh never mind that was LAST year... *snicker*]



deja vu all over again?

we'll know for sure... in another two weeks...

 

[GuelphStormer]

Winnipeg to get a second team after the Yotes are out of the playoffs?????

given the size of the seasons tickets waiting list, i could see a 2nd team in winnipeg being quite successful.

 

[Free Edler]

You may be right KJP; however, financially, I just do not see it happening. If Phoenix is saved, I will be the first to admit I was wrong; however, I think you will be very surprised when the team moves after the Yotes are out of the playoffs.

I'd be surprised if it happens, given all the times they've almost moved only to be saved at the last second despite nobody with serious actual money wanting to make a play for the team.

Whether or not Jamieson is the guy remains to be seen; however, I still think the NHL has one last and final ace up their sleeves to keep the Coyotes in Phoenix if everything comes crashing down again.

 

[Killion]

given the size of the seasons tickets waiting list, i could see a 2nd team in winnipeg being quite successful.

...hey, mightve' happened. Remember, unknown to the COG while Bill Daly was up in front of Council deman, sorry, requesting an extension and another $25M or the team just might wind up in Manitoba, Gary Bettman was in Georgia overseeing the sale of the Thrashers to TNSE. Had Glendale known it was all bluff & called the league on it, who knows?.

I hear Brandons' really nice, mebbe Winkler, which oddly is where everyone goes to buy their cars out there....

 

[blues10]

given the size of the seasons tickets waiting list, i could see a 2nd team in winnipeg being quite successful.

The Winnipeg franchise may have more people on the waiting list than Coyotes have STH.

I see the dog continues to chase its tail. Some news, unreliable news, semi-reliable news, rumours, facts. A real stew of information and misinformatiion out there making for a very tasty dish.

Here's an idea as I have mentioned before. Some crack reporter call GJ and ask for an interview.

Questions

#1 Have you now secured all the necessary investors to close the deal? if not are you continuing to search for investors?

#2 Has the NHL completed its due dilligence on all the investors? as at the meet and greet L'ill Gary mentioned the NHL continuing its due dilligence on investors.

#3 At the meet and greet both yourself and L'ill Gary mentioned that the completion of the deal was weeks away not months. Considering that timeline will this deal be wrapped up in the next 2 weeks?

#4 When can we expect to see a copy of the lease and what are your expectations on a date of a COG vote to finalize the lease agreement?

Not too difficult really.

 

[Mighty Joe Moon]

...hey, mightve' happened. Remember, unknown to the COG while Bill Daly was up in front of Council deman, sorry, requesting an extension and another $25M or the team just might wind up in Manitoba, Gary Bettman was in Georgia overseeing the sale of the Thrashers to TNSE. Had Glendale known it was all bluff & called the league on it, who knows?.

I hear Brandons' really nice, mebbe Winkler, which oddly is where everyone goes to buy their cars out there....

You're thinking of Steinbach.

 

[Killion]

You're thinking of Steinbach.

...ya, thats it. A tasty beverage.

 

[yotesreign]

given the size of the seasons tickets waiting list, i could see a 2nd team in winnipeg being quite successful.

Well NY/NJ has 3 teams, and LA has 2, so...

 

[OthmarAmmann]

The Winnipeg franchise may have more people on the waiting list than Coyotes have STH.

I see the dog continues to chase its tail. Some news, unreliable news, semi-reliable news, rumours, facts. A real stew of information and misinformatiion out there making for a very tasty dish.

Here's an idea as I have mentioned before. Some crack reporter call GJ and ask for an interview.

Questions

#1 Have you now secured all the necessary investors to close the deal? if not are you continuing to search for investors?

#2 Has the NHL completed its due dilligence on all the investors? as at the meet and greet L'ill Gary mentioned the NHL continuing its due dilligence on investors.

#3 At the meet and greet both yourself and L'ill Gary mentioned that the completion of the deal was weeks away not months. Considering that timeline will this deal be wrapped up in the next 2 weeks?

#4 When can we expect to see a copy of the lease and what are your expectations on a date of a COG vote to finalize the lease agreement?

Not too difficult really.

Unless it's more stringent than the IEH days, that should take all of two minutes.

 

[Killion]

Unless it's more stringent than the IEH days, that should take all of two minutes.

...well, just a cottonpickin' minute here!. Didnt the NHL tighten up their vetting procedures after Rigas et al & retain the services of Pinkertons (literally) to investigate ALL applicants (invasively) regardless of minority status or not?.

 

[saskganesh]

The "have" provinces for 2012-13 are:

B.C.
Alberta
Saskatchewan
Newfoundland and Labrador

http://www.fin.gc.ca/fedprov/eqp-eng.asp

Ontario still contributes 40% of Ottawa's revenue. So the $19.5 billion it receives from the feds is really a tax refund, rather than a subsidy. To sum up, Ontario still gives more than it receives.

So how does this relate to PHNX? You tell me.

 

[Skidooboy]

They were told on both instances a deal was very close to being done and might not even need to put up the money at all. So why not wait until you absolutely have to put it into a budget if there's a chance it won't be needed?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Your imagination is UNREAL!

The COG balked at the payment and it wasn't until the NHL showed them how ready they were to leave that COG made the payment, a payment they NEW was gonna screw their budget if it was ever used...and guess what IT DID!!!!!!!!

You all "Down there" might have known that COG would pay but the NHL, and TNSE both seemed pretty sure they weren't gonna, hence the presser in MTS centre that was cancelled at the last minute.

 

[saskganesh]

But PS brings up Ontario even though I cleared that so I don't know how ON is relevant.

heh. thnx.

 

[aqib]

...well, just a cottonpickin' minute here!. Didnt the NHL tighten up their vetting procedures after Rigas et al & retain the services of Pinkertons (literally) to investigate ALL applicants (invasively) regardless of minority status or not?.

I think Jameson gets less scrutiny because he is already in the club.

 

[kdb209]

I think Jameson gets less scrutiny because he is already in the club.

<insert gratuitous Boots comment here>

 

[aqib]

<insert gratuitous Boots comment here>

So Jameson gets even less than that. See below:

Scrutiny for someone in the club:

NHL - Dude you aren't a criminal are you

Owner - No I'm not

NHL - OK we're good

Scrutiny for someone not in the club:

NHL - Dude you aren't a criminal are you

Owner - No I'm not

NHL - You sure

Owner - Yeah I'm sure

NHL - OK we're good

 

[AllByDesign]

I hear Brandons' really nice, mebbe Winkler, which oddly is where everyone goes to buy their cars out there....

Winkler or as the Meno's call it.... "Vinkler" is home to the largest influx of illegal Mexican labor in Canada. Mennonites don't like to pay full pull for anything. Even Dustin Penner has a Mexican boy to tape his sticks to save on extra costs.

 

[AllByDesign]

You're thinking of Steinbach.

Speaking of Steinbach... Jim Treilivings biggest nightmare. Wanted to put a Boston Pizza in a dry town... Lobbied... Wrestled... Got a referendum eventually winning.