Confirmed with Link: [PHI/WPG] Kevin Hayes UFA rights for a 2019 5th

[deadhead]

What young player is looking at $9M other than Marner?
Most of the long-term RFA deals are $2-3M less per year than those players would receive as UFAs.
They're not bargains, but paying for a 23-25 year old for 6-8 years is a lot safer than giving a 29-30 year old 7 years.

 

[wankstifier]

Uh, they only made the trade when Frost was still available after the 26th pick in the 2017 draft. That's not luck; the Flyers clearly had him targeted.

Lucky in how well Frost has apparently developed. I’m assuming that Frost’s junior production has surpassed expectation at the draft. I won’t pretend that the Flyers didn’t have some idea of what they’re going to get out of Frost.

De facto success doesn’t erase the amount of risk assumed at the time of the trade. We can look back and appreciate that Hextall traded Schenn, but we’re lucky that the chips fell as they did.

 

[Tripod]

Uh, they only made the trade when Frost was still available after the 26th pick in the 2017 draft. That's not luck; the Flyers clearly had him targeted.

If Patrick plays up to his upside over a whole season, it really does change how teams would have to play us. Just watching that video and knowing that so far, we have gotten HALF of the expected Patrick so far. Add in Frost and his upside, Ratcliffe playing well, Usti in goal, Cates looking like a good depth player someday....and that draft still could be fantastic for us. Obviously all starts with Nolan and then Frost.

 

[Tripod]

What young player is looking at $9M other than Marner?
Most of the long-term RFA deals are $2-3M less per year than those players would receive as UFAs.
They're not bargains, but paying for a 23-25 year old for 6-8 years is a lot safer than giving a 29-30 year old 7 years.

Laine reportedly wants an OS of 10 million to force Winnipeg's hand.

 

[Curufinwe]

St Louis missing the playoffs in 2018 and Farabee lasting to 14 was good luck.

There was no luck involved when Hextall traded with the Blues with St Louis on the clock specifically to use the 27th pick on Morgan Frost. He did not trade Schenn in advance for a "late 1st" and then "stumble" on to Frost because of pushy scouts.

 

[deadhead]

St Louis was lucky as well, Schenn was an inconsistent player on the Flyers: ES 32, 28, 37, 27, from age 22-25, then 51 and 42 in St Louis.

Schenn had the fluke PP 17 goals before he was traded, but in St Louis he only has 8 and 4 goals on the PP.

 

[deadhead]

Laine reportedly wants an OS of 10 million to force Winnipeg's hand.

I'd let him walk before I'd pay him anything close to that, Laine might be the worst defensive forward in the NHL.

 

[baudib1]

Look

when you score 59 points in 82 games one year and 55 in 79 games the next, that's not inconsistent. It's actually the opposite of inconsistent. Just because you scored 11 goals on the PP one year and 17 the next, your value to the team doesn't change. PP goals count just as much as EV strength goals.

It's just ridiculous how much this "dropoff" in production from Schenn has been talked about when he was exactly the same player at the same level of effectiveness over those seasons.

 

[baudib1]

The problem with Laine isn't his defense, it's his offense. He's worthless when he's not shooting the puck.

 

[PhlthyRich]

What young player is looking at $9M other than Marner?
Most of the long-term RFA deals are $2-3M less per year than those players would receive as UFAs.
They're not bargains, but paying for a 23-25 year old for 6-8 years is a lot safer than giving a 29-30 year old 7 years.

Not specifically 9M but guys such as Point, Aho, Laine, Rantanen or Tkachuk won't be that far off.

 

[deadhead]

Going from 11 to 17 to 8 to 4 PP goals over a four year period demonstrates how arbitrary PP scoring is for most players, a product of luck and PP minutes. There are a few who excel (Giroux, Ghost) and a few who struggle (TK), but for most players PP scoring is more a matter of opportunity than special skill (i.e. move from PP2 to PP1 and your scoring goes up 10-15 points a year without a change in skill).

Whereas ES scoring should be fairly consistent given top six players generally get 15-17 minutes a night (small variance) and generally play with solid linemates (unless you're the 2C on the Islanders or Arizona).

Schenn averaged 31 ES points those four years in Philly before he was traded when he should have been at his peak, Hayes averaged 35 ES points at the same age. So if the Flyers knew Schenn was going to be a 40-50 point scorer, shouldn't we expect the same of Hayes?

 

[deadhead]

Not specifically 9M but guys such as Point, Aho, Laine, Rantanen or Tkachuk won't be that far off.

If Point was a UFA, would he or Panarin be the top forward on the market?

 

[PhlthyRich]

If Point was a UFA, would he or Panarin be the top forward on the market?

Depends if a team needs a Center or Winger so I think teams would have different top forward. I would say Panarin, but Point is coming off a 41 goal season and is younger so who knows

 

[Prongo]

Friedman on his podcast doesn’t sound all too confident that the flyers will sign Hayes

Also makes it know that the top brass is very impatient and our first rounder is absolutely in play right now.

 

[Cody Webster]

Friedman on his podcast doesn’t sound all too confident that the flyers will sign Hayes

Also makes it know that the top brass is very impatient and our first rounder is absolutely in play right now.

Not what you want to hear...

 

[Peacekeeper]

Friedman on his podcast doesn’t sound all too confident that the flyers will sign Hayes

Also makes it know that the top brass is very impatient and our first rounder is absolutely in play right now.

Why the low confidence?

 

[Curufinwe]

Not saying Friedman is wrong, but the Flyers first was allegedly in play multiple times during the Hextall era.

He was supposed to be looking to trade for the 2nd overall in 2014 to make a big splash for the draft held in Philadelphia.

2014 NHL Draft: Flyers bid to trade for top pick fails; Panthers draft Aaron Ekblad No. 1 - nj.com

 

[Redpath]

oh no, not that horrifying era where the Flyers played 14 playoff rounds in 7 years and got closer to winning the goddamn thing than they had ever been since 1987. what a horror show that was, I wish I never got to see my team play in a Stanley Cup Final, I’m a prospects guy, sarcasm emoji.

Broke: Competing for the Stanley Cup, not wasting the prime of your Captain’s career, enjoying the actual on-ice product that makes us hockey fans

Woke: Endlessly fawning over having the best prospect pool, worrying about the annual Flyers board prospect ranking poll, being only 2 more years away from competing

 

[Curufinwe]

Why the low confidence?

Friedman thinks Chicago was the team most after Hayes. Maybe if he won't sign here, Fletch can flip his rights to them for a 6th.

 

[PhlthyRich]

Friedman on his podcast doesn’t sound all too confident that the flyers will sign Hayes

Also makes it know that the top brass is very impatient and our first rounder is absolutely in play right now.

mentioned Patrick's name has popped up a few times, but then said Chuck sounded as if why trade a young centerman

 

[Stizzle]

Also makes it know that the top brass is very impatient and our first rounder is absolutely in play right now.

Dave Scott is terrible and a tyrant.

 

[Curufinwe]

Arizona's trade of Dylan Strome should be a cautionary tale when it comes to trading a young center who went at the top of the draft. During his 19, 20, and the start of his 21 year old season, he only scored 16 points in 48 NHL games.

Then they traded him to Chicago, and he put up 51 points in 58 games.

Dylan Strome at eliteprospects.com

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Remember when you couldn’t even talk about Arizona without someone blowing Chayka?

 

[PhlthyRich]

Arizona's trade of Dylan Strome should be a cautionary tale when it comes to trading a young center who went at the top of the draft. During his 19, 20, and the start of his 21 year old season, he only scored 16 points in 48 NHL games.

Then they traded him to Chicago, and he put up 51 points in 58 games.

Dylan Strome at eliteprospects.com

Friedman went on to say... he took Chuck's words as if we trade NoPa its going to be for a deal that you understand? Personally have zero interest in moving him.

 

[hatcher]

If Hayes doesnt sign it shows how bad the team is. Flyers at one time players would change there minds and go to Philly if they phoned.