Prospect Info: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc.

[MacDonald4MVP]

Giroux:
D+1 - 63GP 48G 64A 112P 1.78PPG
D+2 - 55GP 38G 68A 106P 1.93PPG
————
Total - 118GP 86G 132A 218P 1.86PPG

Frost:
D+1 - 67GP 42G 70A 112P 1.67PPG
D+2 - 50GP 36G 62A 98P 1.96PPG
————
Total - 117GP 78G 132A 210P 1.79PPG

Barzal:
D+1 - 58GP 27G 61A 88P 1.52PPG
D+2 - 41GP 10G 69A 79P 1.93PPG
————
Total - 99Gp 37G 130A 167P 1.69PPG

Wait did they really keep barzal innjuniors for two extra seasons?

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

I wonder how many people were complaining that Barzal only had 10 goals, despite completely dominating that league.

 

[deadhead]

Wait did they really keep barzal innjuniors for two extra seasons?

For the same reason we sent Frost back.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Wait did they really keep barzal innjuniors for two extra seasons?

While Beauvillier played in the NHL at 19.

I wasn’t a huge Barzal fan. Whoops.

 

[baudib1]

Why would you push Frost to 4C, if he's this good, play him.
Fletcher might look at a veteran 4C who can skate and PK, otherwise just go with what they got.
Rubtsov should be ready at some point next season, and Vorobyev/Bunnaman/Laberge should also be in the AHL and available for action.
You could start the season with Bailey - Laughton - NAK on the 4th line, we've done worse.

Yeah I endorse this. Start Frost at 3C, plan on Laughton at 4C and hope that Rubtsov/Bunnaman/Vorobyev push him out of a job.

 

[Ruck Over]

Anyone that suggests we sign a 3rd line center in the offseason deserves to be banned from this forum.

Don't we need to give Patrick a new contract soon? Coots is locked up, I heard he makes a good 3C.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

I’d be more interested in a “veteran” 4C than 3C. This team has the potential to have a strong 4th line and with Frost being a rookie, could get a little more ice time balance in the bottom 6.

 

[Ruck Over]

Maybe we can get two reliable 3C’s and push Frost to 5C.

Can Frost be kept in the CHL for an over-ager year? Allows his contract to slide again. Think about the cap implications!

 

[Ruck Over]

Why would you push Frost to 4C, if he's this good, play him.
Fletcher might look at a veteran 4C who can skate and PK, otherwise just go with what they got.
Rubtsov should be ready at some point next season, and Vorobyev/Bunnaman/Laberge should also be in the AHL and available for action.
You could start the season with Bailey - Laughton - NAK on the 4th line, we've done worse.

It is scary when you make sense, and are concise.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Can Frost be kept in the CHL for an over-ager year? Allows his contract to slide again. Think about the cap implications!

They could but his contract wouldn’t slide. Sorry for ruining your heelturn.

 

[Ruck Over]

They could but his contract wouldn’t slide. Sorry for ruining your heelturn.

YOU LIE! You are not sorry to ruin the heel turn, you probably enjoyed it greatly.

 

[baudib1]

Re-sign Lehtera, trade for Filppula, Schenn and Bjugstad, slide Frost to 6C with Rubtsov at 7C, Bunnaman at 8C and Misha at 9C. JOB will be ready to move into a top 8C role by 2021.

 

[Curufinwe]

Previous regime: ha!
Now: maybe

The previous regime put Konecny in the NHL at 19, so why wouldn't they have put Frost in at 20?

 

[baudib1]

The same reason they didn't put Frost in the NHL at 19.

 

[Striiker]

The previous regime put Konecny in the NHL at 19, so why wouldn't they have put Frost in at 20?

And Provorov at 19
And Patrick at 19
And Hagg before he was NHL ready
And Sanheim when there was an injury (like Fletcher SHOULD have done with Myers)

Fletcher hasn't been any quicker.

 

[Curufinwe]

The same reason they didn't put Frost in the NHL at 19.

Not being NHL ready at 19 doesn't mean a player isn't ready at 20. See Barzal, Matt.

 

[Curufinwe]

And Provorov at 19
And Patrick at 19
And Hagg before he was NHL ready
And Sanheim when there was an injury (like Fletcher SHOULD have done with Myers)

Sanheim didn't make the team due to an injury.

 

[baudib1]

Not being NHL ready at 19 doesn't mean a player isn't ready at 20. See Barzal, Matt.

yeah well. Kjell Samuelsson is already on record saying he thinks Frost needs some time in the AHL.

 

[Striiker]

Sanheim didn't make the team due to an injury.

I mean after he got sent back down.

 

[Curufinwe]

While Beauvillier played in the NHL at 19.

I wasn’t a huge Barzal fan. Whoops.

I wasn't a huge Debrincat fan. It happens.

This is a fun thread to reread. Barzal (along with Provorov and Crouse) were my three guys in the 2015 draft, so I kept following the threads about him. Certain people were really hung up on his lack of goals in Junior.

Mathew Barzal a top 3 prospect in the NHL?

Tbh I think he's a horrible prospect, I don't want a guy who scores 10 goals and gets a ton of secondary assists.

 

[deadhead]

When the Flyers drafted Frost, he wasn't even considered a 1st rd pick by many, he was seen as a reach.
Then last year he steps it up, this year he steps it up another notch.

Problem is hindsight is 20/20, for every Barzal and Frost, there are a half dozen guys who never build on their pre-draft or D+1 season and flatline. Look at Ho-Sang on the same team. 85 points pre-draft, then 81, 82, went to AHL, had a good season, flopped in NY, went back to the AHL, didn't improve, this year he's stepping it up in the AHL but is now 23.

Projection is tough, problem comes when you're overly optimistic and draft "gambles' too high, if you miss in the 1st rd, major issue, if you miss in the 3rd to 5th rd, shrug shoulders, if you miss in the 6th or 7th rd, if a prospect disappears from the back of the list, does anyone notice?

 

[Oskar Man]

The previous regime put Konecny in the NHL at 19, so why wouldn't they have put Frost in at 20?

Lack of grit

 

[Stizzle]

The previous regime put Konecny in the NHL at 19, so why wouldn't they have put Frost in at 20?

Hey, man. Hextall said Frost looked tentative in practice. The very first practice of the NHL season. What better reason could you possibly need to immediately send him down?

 

[baudib1]

Hey, man. Hextall said Frost looked tentative in practice. The very first practice of the NHL season. What better reason could you possibly need to immediately send him down?

He 100% had to ship him out ASAP before he started looking good.

 

[Curufinwe]

Yeah, that must have been it. After all, it wouldn't have been hard to look better at center than trash like Vorobyev who has already been sent to the doghouse by two coaches, and sent down to the minors by two GMs now.