Rumor: Phaneuf About to Sign 7 Year/$50 Million Deal
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Top-10 paid UFA defencemen, % of cap taken up when contract signed:
Player
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Cap Hit
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Salary Cap Upper Limit
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% taken up
Suter | $7.54M | $70.2M | 10.7%
Letang | $7.25M | $71.1M | 10.2%
Campbell | $7.14M | $56.7M | 12.6%
Phaneuf | $7.0M | $71.1M | 9.8%
Chara | $6.92M | $64.3M | 10.8%
Boyle | $6.67M | $56.7M | 11.8%
Timonen | $6.0M | $64.3M | 9.3%
Enstrom | $5.75M | $64.3M | 8.9%
Markov | $5.75M | $64.3M | 8.9%
Wisniewski | $5.5M | $64.3M | 8.6%
Suter | $7.54M | $70.2M | 10.7%
Letang | $7.25M | $71.1M | 10.2%
Campbell | $7.14M | $56.7M | 12.6%
Phaneuf | $7.0M | $71.1M | 9.8%
Chara | $6.92M | $64.3M | 10.8%
Boyle | $6.67M | $56.7M | 11.8%
Timonen | $6.0M | $64.3M | 9.3%
Enstrom | $5.75M | $64.3M | 8.9%
Markov | $5.75M | $64.3M | 8.9%
Wisniewski | $5.5M | $64.3M | 8.6%
Interesting so far you and others have shown
1. Offensively the stats show he is not worth his contract
2. Defensively the stats show he is not worth his contract
3. That leaves leadership, hockey IQ and intangibles discussion to justify 7x7M contract
For example making those "clutch" in game pinches especially in a playoff game or clean non-suspendable hard game changing hits. Or, like how he is the first to drop his gloves when Ott decks Kessel. And how he as captain and top shutdown defender protects the leafs from collapsing in the third and playoffs by acting as a calming influence on the bench. Phaneuf's contract is a bargain he is easily worth 9 or 10M a year.
Like Crosby? Who couldn't do anything to help his team from getting thumped by the Bruins, just a couple weeks after Phaneuf and the Leafs went to OT of game 7 with them?
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Depends on the situation. If I'm trying to score, Keith is my man. If I'm trying to stop goals, Keith can sit. He especially gets exposed by hard cycles when he has to play the body on the wall. St. Louis and Minnesota are examples of teams that give him fits. Seabrook provides cover for Keith. Dion doesn't have a complimentary partner of comparable quality. I wonder how the great Drew would look with Holzer beside him?
They measure performance based on a certain sample size yes. There are guys playing in the NHL right now who have had a hot half-season who will never have another one again (one-hit wonders). There are guys who are slumping this season. I would never give out a rich long-term contract to a player who hasn't proven himself over a large sample size. It doesn't make sense to me.
Btw here is 2010-13 (3 year) data for the top 72 NHL defenseman (3000+ 5v5 mins) in 5v5 TOI. Unfortunately Hockey Analysis doesn't include this season for multi-year data (there's no 2010-14 or 2011-14 option available on the site). So that 3 year sample doesn't include this season.
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...000&teamid=0&type=goals&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC
Dion Phaneuf is ranked 50th/72 in goal differential. He ranks 30th/72 in Defensive Zone Start % (DZFO%) and 63rd/72 in Offensive Zone Start % (OZFO%). You could make the argument that Dion Phaneuf is asked to take on a lot of defensive assignments. But sure let's give 50m+/7yrs to a guy whom we're going to assume is a Top 10 defenseman in the league (after all we're gonna pay him like one). Without a shred of evidence that he's actually capable of being that guy over a long-term sample...
Let him walk. I don't care if he's a UFA and if he can get a better deal with some **** team. I don't care if it's going to take some time for us to groom or acquire an adequate replacement. Dion Phaneuf is not a part of a Stanley Cup winning puzzle. So what if we make the playoffs? Half of the conference makes the playoffs. Big deal. In the playoffs, a team can always get lucky and win a Stanley Cup. 16-28 games is a small sample size compared to 82. But we want to maximize the team's chances of winning a cup.
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Yzerman, Gretzky (LA), Messier (NY), Doan (look at the debacle over the past five years down there), Bobby Clarke, Scott Stevens, Ray Bourque, George Armstrong...... Etc, etc
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He helped them out of the first round to get to the Bruins. One day Dion, one day
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The point is, not even a real franchise captain can just succeed in the playoff on command. Even when Pitts won the cup, it was Malkin, not Crosby who did much of the heavy lifting and won the Conn Smythe.
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Yzerman - how old was he when he led the Red Wings to glory, and after how many years of failure?
Gretzky (LA)- Zero cups.
Messier (NYR) - One cup and then sold himself a la Sundin to Vancouver.
Doan- Has won nothing
Stevens- See Niedermayer, Scott
Bourque- Led Boston to nothing for several years before going to a stacked team in Colorado at the end of his career.
Funny how all these great leaders had such struggles early (except Gretzky). Maybe, just maybe, Phaneuf at 29 isn't such a lost cause?
They went on to win it in historical fashion, being the first team to win the Cup by losing more games in the Cup finals than they won.
Habs won the Cup that year, not the Kings.
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You mean the year they beat the leafs and then got smoked by Montreal in the cup finals?
You don't remember the awful feeling of our arch enemy franchise winning it's most recent cup,
Whose not a real leaf fan now?
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