Salary Cap: Pens Salary thread: It has been 0 days since our last injury

[Randy Butternubs]

I looked into my claim further. Using:

Hockey Reference's ages of players relative to the season they played
a loosely defined "made it to the NHL" parameter
the defenders from the 8 good teams last season of COL, TB, NYR, EDM, STL, FLA, CAR, CGY
the defenders from the 4 poop teams last season of PHI, SEA, ARI, MTL

I ended up getting 95 NHL-defenders. And from that I wrote down their ages when they first became a full time NHLer.

Lowest age, clearly, was 18. Highest age was 27. Average was 22.2 and mode was 24. Sample Standard Deviation was 2.06.

I forget my stats class from like 15 years ago so I'm not 100% certain on this next sentence. But I think with my sample size I can say that with 95% confidence that NHL defenders make it between ages 18.1 and 26.3. And if I want to change that to 75%, then the ages change to 19.8 and 24.6.

Also, we can't say what ages this generation of players are peaking at since they're still playing.

Using this, I guess POJ has til January 2024 til I give up on him.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

McCann and Kap are both supremely one-dimensional, third line guys, imo. The difference is McCann's got an elite shot and actually produces at a good clip, albeit regular season only. Kap just skates real fast, that's it--that's all he's got. They're both streaky as f***, and pretty whatever guys though.

Only thing I would've done differently is expose Carter and protect McCann--just to shop/trade McCann without the impending pressure of the expansion draft. Don't really give a single f*** that the team "lost" McCann and Tanev, tbh. No real clue how or why anyone does if I'm being honest.

They're both players with some intriguing individual skills that are too dumb to use them effectively and are therefore extremely inconsistent. McCann was put in a pretty prime position last season and he made the most of it... individually. Neither player is going to help their linemates or overall team much IMO.

I don't really get missing McCann honestly. And I'm certainly no big fan of Carter's.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

They're both players with some intriguing individual skills that are too dumb to use them effectively and are therefore extremely inconsistent. McCann was put in a pretty prime position last season and he made the most of it... individually. Neither player is going to help their linemates or overall team much IMO.

I don't really get missing McCann honestly. And I'm certainly no big fan of Carter's.

My "are you outta your mind?" fantasyland scenario had Carter being claimed and the new 3rd line being something like McCann-Blueger-Tanev. Don't ask about the 4th line, frankly didn't think that far ahead and never gave a f*** about the 4th line.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Really good opportunity to slip POJ through waivers after this. Florida was one team that I thought would definitely claim him off of waivers, but they claimed Mahura instead.

 

[Pens x]

Yikes, imagine being content with Pettersson in your top 4. Talk about not having standards. Also, Dumo is nowhere near a top pairing dman.

I think people are dramatically overestimating our defense.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Toronto is 4 dollars under the cap.

 

[Gurglesons]

Toronto is $4 dollars under the cap.

Lol.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Toronto is $4 dollars under the cap.

I figured ZAR's weird cap hit had to do with this.

 

[Pens x]

I know I praised the deal in Kapanen's first season but I still can't believe JR traded a 1st rounder for him.

The Zucker deal made sense and Zucker just fell off a bit due to injuries. They bought a bit high on him, but the price they paid was reasonable for the caliber of player Zucker was at the time. But Kapanen? Dude was a middle-6 tweener that put up about 45 points while playing pretty exclusively with Auston Matthews. He was never a legitimate top-6 forward for the Leafs, but JR paid for him like he thought he was a top-6 forward.

The galaxy brain JR had to go through to value Kapanen at a 1st and a decent prospect while valuing McCann way lower makes no sense to me. Those two were effectively the same exact player, Kapanen just got more opportunities in Toronto than McCann got in Florida or Pittsburgh.

What do you have to say about the galaxy brain of extending Kap to a multi-year, $6.4 mil deal this summer?

Somehow, I’m sure this isn’t Hextall’s fault.

 

[Gurglesons]

Hague signs for 2.2. Crazy nobody could get a successful OS on him.

 

[SEALBound]

Jesus, I had no idea Jarred Tinordi was still in the league. I love waivers time.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDo]

Who on D is going to kill penalties beyond Dumo-Letang? Rutta-Petry?

 

[Gurglesons]

Who on D is going to kill penalties beyond Dumo-Letang? Rutta-Petry?

Pettersson PK’d for significant amounts of time in his time here.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Pettersson PK’d for significant amounts of time in his time here.

Eh what do you mean by "significant"?

In 2019-2020, he averaged about 1:20 per game on the PK. Every other year had him below 1 minute per game. Last year, he only averaged 18 seconds per game on the PK.

 

[Gurglesons]

Eh what do you mean by "significant"?

In 2019-2020, he averaged about 1:20 per game on the PK. Every other year had him below 1 minute per game. Last year, he only averaged 18 seconds per game on the PK.

He was our 4th most used defensemen on the PK two season ago

 

[Peat]

If I have to guess I'd say first unit will be Dumo-Rutta, 2nd unit Tanger-Petry, Pettersson as the spare. Maybe Pettersson on second unit.

 

[66-30-33]

Yikes, imagine being content with Pettersson in your top 4. Talk about not having standards. Also, Dumo is nowhere near a top pairing dman.

I think people are dramatically overestimating our defense.

Chychrun-Letang
Dumo-Petry
Smith-Rutta

Happy?

 

[BHD]

Mike Reilly on waivers. He's a decent good third-pairing guy.

 

[66-30-33]

Hague signs for 2.2. Crazy nobody could get a successful OS on him.

I'd have like to have him on our roster but I think Hextall is good with what we have.

 

[Gurglesons]

I'd have like to have him on our roster but I think Hextall is good with what we have.

Yeah he doesn’t make a ton of sense with us acquiring Smith.

 

[66-30-33]

Yeah he doesn’t make a ton of sense with us acquiring Smith.

Yeah we got no room anymore. Smith-Rutta is our bottom pair and we wont be able to trade Petts anyway.

 

[SEALBound]

Chychrun-Letang
Dumo-Petry
Smith-Rutta

Happy?

I like the idea of Chychrun but I hate his durability. Combine that with the Penguins curse...not sure he'd make it out of his first practice here.

Mike Reilly on waivers. He's a decent good third-pairing guy.

Yeah, I wouldn't argue that but we have Mike Rielly, he just goes by Chad Rudwedel or Mark Freidman. I cna't imagine he's any better than Smith or POJ at this point either.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Non Pens related, but there seems to be a lot of that floating around today:

Are there any teams that are going to need to do something drastic in the next few hours to get compliant? Seems like there are quite a few teams over the cap at the moment. Do they all have options for LTIR or non waiver demotions to get in compliance, or are we going to see an over the cap team get fleeced on a cap dump trade in an hour to get compliant?

 

[66-30-33]

I like the idea of Chychrun but I hate his durability. Combine that with the Penguins curse...not sure he'd make it out of his first practice here.

Would easily be the best D we have had in the Crosby/Malkin era.

 

[Ugene Magic]

It really amazes me how many people are so quick to sell low on players like Brock mcginn or p o j. We don't have to move either at this point and I sure as hell don't want to sell low on them either. Let's wait things out a bit, with Smith being sent down at least for the next couple of days we have the option to try and make a trade, or see if poj can Accord himself nicely early on in the season. Neither of those two scenarios seems extraordinary to me. But I'm certainly not for dumping players and selling low. I just never understood that philosophy. I don't see it prudent to jettison poj or Mginn at this point. We haven't even played a game yet for Pete's sake!

We wouldn't be selling low on McGinn since they didn't trade any assets for him. McGinn is just an expensive player to use on the 4th line. POJ is much easier to keep around.