Post-Game Talk: Pens/Sabres: MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE!

[SouthGeorge]

I love the notion the best player in the world should play defense so we can watch our defensemen score. For their careers... Dumo scores once every 31 games. Letang once every 6. Schultz once every 10 games. Petts once every 34 games. JJ once every 12 games.

Winning hockey baby!!! The Sully way.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I love the notion the best player in the world should play defense so we can watch our defensemen score. For their careers... Dumo scores once every 31 games. Letang once every 6. Schultz once every 10 games. Petts once every 34 games. JJ once every 12 games.

Winning hockey baby!!! The Sully way.

Every winning team's way. You need forwards to play d. Seriously every play would be 3 on 2 otherwise. I really hate the idea that you don't understand this. Its way sadder than if you're a troll.

 

[SouthGeorge]

Every winning team's way. You need forwards to play d. Seriously every play would be 3 on 2 otherwise. I really hate the idea that you don't understand this. Its way sadder than if you're a troll.

So if the D is being aggressive and pinching and the forward is suppose to cover for him. Isn't that leaving 3 on 2's with one defensemen and a forward? That seems really smart and better than two defensemen and a back checking forward.

 

[Night Shift]

PPG needs another @SouthGeorge night to continue the streak. Last time on SouthGeorge night: the Forwards were playing forward, and the D was scoring goals.

 

[Ogrezilla]

So if the D is being aggressive and pinching and the forward is suppose to cover for him. Isn't that leaving 3 on 2's with one defensemen and a forward? That seems really smart and better than two defensemen and a back checking forward.

I wish defensemen were called point guards like basketball or something. It would make it easier to understand for people who have no clue how the game works. They aren't separate units like football. They are all part of the 5 man unit. It is all of their job to play both offense and defense.

 

[Night Shift]

I wish defensemen were called point guards like basketball or something. It would make it easier to understand for people who have no clue how the game works. They aren't separate units like football. They are all part of the 5 man unit. It is all of their job to play both offense and defense.

Well it is March madness in Georgetown.

 

[Gurglesons]

I wish defensemen were called point guards like basketball or something. It would make it easier to understand for people who have no clue how the game works. They aren't separate units like football. They are all part of the 5 man unit. It is all of their job to play both offense and defense.

Letang was responsible for not guarding that point against tho’

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

What the f*** are you talking about? You picked the sample size from the worst slump in the season. If you’re just trying to get people upset, please stop.

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It's not like it was cherry-picked. It's their only sample size together this season.

Presumably heat maps can be used to highlight areas of concern, not just blow smoke.

 

[Gurglesons]

It's not like it was cherry-picked. It's their only sample size together this season.

Presumably heat maps can be used to highlight areas of concern, not just blow smoke.

Presumably the creator of heat maps says a one year sample is not enough to correctly analyze his data.

But I’m sure the 90 minutes or Sid and Sheary prove Kahun is a legend.

 

[SouthGeorge]

I wish defensemen were called point guards like basketball or something. It would make it easier to understand for people who have no clue how the game works. They aren't separate units like football. They are all part of the 5 man unit. It is all of their job to play both offense and defense.

You have to stop drinking the Sully juice. Just because you have two d-men back not pinching doesn't = 3 vs. 2. Our forwards are far superior to most teams defense. Their forwards collapse to help them out. All 3 forwards just going to hang out at the blue line and watch their defense? At most it will be a 2 on 2 with a high forward backchecking.

 

[canadianguy77]

I love the notion the best player in the world should play defense so we can watch our defensemen score. For their careers... Dumo scores once every 31 games. Letang once every 6. Schultz once every 10 games. Petts once every 34 games. JJ once every 12 games.

Winning hockey baby!!! The Sully way.

You said you played D1 hockey right? I don't understand where you're coming from unless you played in the 70's or early 80's.

 

[Gurglesons]

You have to stop drinking the Sully juice. Just because you have two d-men back not pinching doesn't = 3 vs. 2. Our forwards are far superior to most teams defense. Their forwards collapse to help them out. All 3 forwards just going to hang out at the blue line and watch their defense? At most it will be a 2 on 2 with a high forward backchecking.

Yeah, St Louis, Washington, and LA and CHI have shown this is the way to win. The lack of pinching defensemen like Carlson, Orlov, Piets, Doughty, Keith, etc are keys to their success.

 

[canadianguy77]

On another note, I was thinking, how creepy and weird is it going to be if the playoffs are played in empty arenas? It would be f***ing weird right?

 

[SouthGeorge]

You said you played D1 hockey right? I don't understand where you're coming from unless you played in the 70's or early 80's.

Correct. Sorry, I don't like a system that relies on defense constantly pinching to keep pucks in and forwards covering. I'm not saying a defensemen can never pinch. I like it to be more situational then do it every time.

 

[canadianguy77]

Yeah, St Louis, Washington, and LA and CHI have shown this is the way to win. The lack of pinching defensemen like Carlson, Orlov, Piets, Doughty, Keith, etc are keys to their success.

This shit he's saying is bonkers.

These "strategies" aren't new. They've been around for a long time.

 

[canadianguy77]

Correct. Sorry, I don't like a system that relies on defense constantly pinching to keep pucks in and forwards covering. I'm not saying a defensemen can never pinch. I like it to be more situational then do it every time.

Well, maybe you have a problem with "who" is pinching.

Watch the kid (Marino) closely. He almost never gets it wrong.

Because it's being coached.

Coaches in college didn't just come up with that.

 

[JTG]

Correct. Sorry, I don't like a system that relies on defense constantly pinching to keep pucks in and forwards covering. I'm not saying a defensemen can never pinch. I like it to be more situational then do it every time.

Every single coach worth their weight tells their defensemen to pinch to keep pucks in and the closest person to that players position rotates back. If you had a coach that told you not to pinch to keep the puck in, he had no faith in your ability to keep it in.

So if a defenseman can pinch in to keep a puck in, if you were the coach you'd tell your defensemen not to do that? I just need the clarification.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Presumably the creator of heat maps says a one year sample is not enough to correctly analyze his data.

But I’m sure the 90 minutes or Sid and Sheary prove Kahun is a legend.

I don't think anybody said it was definitive, only that the early returns weren't good.

 

[canadianguy77]

People don't get that the modern day NHL is about timing. Mario and Wayne had it before coaches ever did.

The differences physically are getting to be minute. There's so much money involved now that a freak like a modern-day-Lindros would have 3 or 4 players in his draft that aren't that far off.

But coaches are starting to get it now. And they're teaching it.

And the best and smartest athletes are "getting" it. Marino is one of those guys.

 

[canadianguy77]

I don't know why Marino was ever passed over, but he was. Dude looks like a franchise dman. Like Dahlin level.

 

[Gurglesons]

I don't know why Marino was ever passed over, but he was. Dude looks like a franchise dman. Like Dahlin level.

It’s crazy how unconfident Dahlin looks in Buff.

 

[Gurglesons]

I don't think anybody said it was definitive, only that the early returns weren't good.

Why is that? He seems to have established himself as a good third wheel for Zucker and Sid. Ideally you have Jake there.

 

[canadianguy77]

You can go back to how someone like Pronger looked in Hartford in his first 2 years and see the same stuff.


Not saying they're the same sorts of players, but you can see the talent if you look.

 

[66-30-33]

I don't know why Marino was ever passed over, but he was. Dude looks like a franchise dman. Like Dahlin level.

Because prospects are a crapshoot. Some are AMAZING!! while most of them are nothing.

 

[SouthGeorge]

Well, maybe you have a problem with "who" is pinching.

Watch the kid (Marino) closely. He almost never gets it wrong.

Because it's being coached.

Coaches in college didn't just come up with that.

Yes, IQ is a huge problem.

So if a defenseman can pinch in to keep a puck in, if you were the coach you'd tell your defensemen not to do that? I just need the clarification.

If he has a high chance of keeping it in, of course. I'm not going to have my offensive pressure rely on it and say do it every time even if you have no chance of keeping possession. Hockey is all about risk % in my opinion. You can perfectly pinch all game and it generates no quality chances. One bad pinch could be a breakaway the other way and very high % of scoring and could be the difference in a tight scoring game especially in playoffs.