Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: November - Go home Sully, you're drunk

[K Fleur]

What does Vegas have left?

I figure you could get a haul from Boston.

I think I’d rather be a Caps fan than watch Letang play in a Bruins jersey.

 

[Rakell67]

I'm gonna hold out hope the Pens claim Sheahan and trade for Jankowski back. Can you imagine watching a 4th line of
Aston-Reese/Sheahan/Jankowski?
Oh the Vanilla!

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I'm gonna hold out hope the Pens claim Sheahan and trade for Jankowski back. Can you imagine watching a 4th line of
Aston-Reese/Sheahan/Jankowski?
Oh the Vanilla!

ZAR-Sheahan-Jank
Spaling-Boyle-Sceviour

Bottom-6, plan the parade.

 

[Pancakes]

If ZAR were around during the Bylsma era we undoubtedly would have been treated to Glass-Adams-Zar

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

At the deadline if we are out...

Malkin @ 50% to Anaheim for Max Jones + 1st
Letang @ 50% to Carlina for Nino Niederreiter + 1st
Next year, Crosby to Colorado for Newhook + Maltsev + 1st
Rust @ 50% to Toronto for Holl/Dermott + 1st
Dumoulin to Edmonton for Yamamota + 2nd
Riikola to someone for a 3rd

Then Hextall can roll on the conference room table in picks. Leaves us a nice core to build around and 5 1sts in the next 2 years...one of which we hope is Bedard.

The idea of Crosby, Malkin, and Letang not finishing with the Penguins bothers me.

I'd rather ride off into the sunset with those 3. They've earned it, and I enjoy watching their career arcs, the ups and the downs.

It's already rare for 3 superstar players to spend their whole careers together. Have 3 stars in any sport played nearly 20 years together? And team sports are trending further and further away from that.

There will be plenty of time to suck and hoard picks after they're gone.

 

[Pens x]

The idea of Crosby, Malkin, and Letang not finishing with the Penguins bothers me.

I'd rather ride off into the sunset with those 3. They've earned it, and I enjoy watching their career arcs, the ups and the downs.

It's already rare for 3 superstar players to spend their whole careers together. Have 3 stars in any sport played nearly 20 years together? And team sports are trending further and further away from that.

There will be plenty of time to suck and hoard picks after they're gone.

So, we will tread water for 3 years so that Geno can play 40 games per season in a Pens’ jersey?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

So, we will tread water for 3 years so that Geno can play 40 games per season in a Pens’ jersey?

I'll enjoy watching these 3 together and seeing how the brass tries to build around them for the home stretch.

Like I said earlier, watching 3 star players together for nearly 20 years is a rare thing. Might not happen again in our lifetime.

 

[Pens x]

I'll enjoy watching these 3 together and seeing how the brass tries to build around them for the home stretch.

Like I said earlier, watching 3 star players together for nearly 20 years is a rare thing. Might not happen again in our lifetime.

You are assuming all three want to stay here. Management desperately needs to make a move to show these guys we are doing everything in our power to contend for the remainder of their contracts. This whole swap out bottom six players for other bottom six players isn’t addressing the underlying issues.

The last two off seasons do not reflect a team truly trying to contend for the cup. If these guys want another shot at the cup, this likely isn’t the best place for that. Burke needs to step in and make a move if we want those guys to stay. The sleepy approach will send these guys packing.

Malkin is my favorite player, and the thought of him playing elsewhere is sickening. However, I wouldn’t blame him for leaving. Our front office has been terrible pretty much since 2017.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

You are assuming all three want to stay here. Management desperately needs to make a move to show these guys we are doing everything in our power to contend for the remainder of their contracts. This whole swap out bottom six players for other bottom six players isn’t addressing the underlying issues.

The last two off seasons do not reflect a team truly trying to contend for the cup. If these guys want another shot at the cup, this likely isn’t the best place for that. Burke needs to step in and make a move if we want those guys to stay. The sleepy approach will send these guys packing.

We do what we can to keep them, and if we can't, we let them play out their deals.

 

[Pens x]

We do what we can to keep them, and if we can't, we let them play out their deals.

It depends where we are in the standings. If sleepy doesn’t make any moves to improve this team, we likely won’t be a playoff team. If that’s the case, you gotta trade them to recoup some assets. I assume they’ve had discussions about their intentions. The last thing you want is a Tavares situation.

 

[dogthateats]

What can we get for an 11 points in 13 gp forward with a $1,000,000 cap hit?

 

[Flying Dego]

What can we get for an 11 points in 13 gp forward with a $1,000,000 cap hit?

1st Rounder and "A" prospect? Elite 2nd line centers are crucial for contenders

 

[Empoleon8771]

The idea of Crosby, Malkin, and Letang not finishing with the Penguins bothers me.

I'd rather ride off into the sunset with those 3. They've earned it, and I enjoy watching their career arcs, the ups and the downs.

It's already rare for 3 superstar players to spend their whole careers together. Have 3 stars in any sport played nearly 20 years together? And team sports are trending further and further away from that.

There will be plenty of time to suck and hoard picks after they're gone.

I agree with you entirely but Letang's probably pricing himself out of Pittsburgh.

 

[Rakell67]

What can we get for an 11 points in 13 gp forward with a $1,000,000 cap hit?

Don't forget that Kovalchuk-like slapper!

 

[Empoleon8771]

What can we get for an 11 points in 13 gp forward with a $1,000,000 cap hit?

Probably like a 3rd.

Even with ERod's great start, he's still ERod.

 

[K Fleur]

The idea of Crosby, Malkin, and Letang not finishing with the Penguins bothers me.

I'd rather ride off into the sunset with those 3. They've earned it, and I enjoy watching their career arcs, the ups and the downs.

It's already rare for 3 superstar players to spend their whole careers together. Have 3 stars in any sport played nearly 20 years together? And team sports are trending further and further away from that.

There will be plenty of time to suck and hoard picks after they're gone.

Especially if they still want to be here.

Selling off our star players for futures sends a message to other players in the league about the Pens franchise(which is already not an attractive FA destination).

 

[EightyOne]

They didnt give a how on Vegas's end. Just that with Letang's limited NTC, that might be a team he'd want to go to.

I am pretty sure his smiling buddy MAF would suggest he avoid them

 

[Gurglesons]

Since their 60+ point seasons in '17-'18, Forsberg has scored at a .77 p/g pace, (63 points per 82 games), while Zucker's scored at a .56 p/g pace (46 points per 82 games).

That's close?

Looks more to me like one player has continued to produce at the same rate while the other's fallen off considerably.

Yeah, I think it’s close considering one is getting little time on the Powerplay since.

Forsberg is the better player. But is he worth a 1st + Poulin + losing Zucker? I don’t really see him changing much especially given his injury history.

 

[Gurglesons]

What can we get for an 11 points in 13 gp forward with a $1,000,000 cap hit?

Hopefully rid of Brian Boyle on L4.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Yeah, I think it’s close considering one is getting little time on the Powerplay since.

Forsberg is the better player. But is he worth a 1st + Poulin + losing Zucker? I don’t really see him changing much especially given his injury history.

One of the drawbacks for Zucker has always been that he wouldn't get time on the 1st unit here. Forsberg would.

The difference in production between Zucker and Forsberg since '17-'18 is about the same as the difference between Forsberg and Malkin. Well worth the upgrade. Wingers who average a 63 point pace or better over that period don't become available very often.

 

[ChaosAgent]

One of the drawbacks for Zucker has always been that he wouldn't get time on the 1st unit here. Forsberg would.

The difference in production between Zucker and Forsberg since '17-'18 is about the same as the difference between Forsberg and Malkin. Well worth the upgrade. Wingers who average a 63 point pace or better over that period don't become available very often.

I would rather have Zuck on PP1 over Jake, but your point is well-taken

 

[Gurglesons]

One of the drawbacks for Zucker has always been that he wouldn't get time on the 1st unit here. Forsberg would.

The difference in production between Zucker and Forsberg since '17-'18 is about the same as the difference between Forsberg and Malkin. Well worth the upgrade. Wingers who average a 63 point pace or better over that period don't become available very often.

And once again the issue is that Forsberg has been hurt four years in a row. Isn’t this a consistent argument you bring up in terms of health being a factor.

He’s going to be 29. You want to pay full value for a player past his prime who is in the same realm as Zucker.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I agree with you entirely but Letang's probably pricing himself out of Pittsburgh.

I think something in the 9 mil range is warranted. Hopefully he'll take less, but he's worth that to this team.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

And once again the issue is that Forsberg has been hurt four years in a row. Isn’t this a consistent argument you bring up in terms of health being a factor.

Ideally, yes. If a more healthy winger with comparable skill becomes available, obviously I'd prefer them. But Zucker isn't that.

 

[Gurglesons]

Ideally, yes. If a more healthy winger with comparable skill becomes available, obviously I'd prefer them. But Zucker isn't that.

And Zucker doesn’t cost a 1st and Poulin for a team that is likely missing the playoffs regardless of what moves we make.

I’d rather sell Zucker then add him to a 28 year old rental deal.