Post-Game Talk: Penguins def. Canucks - 4-1

[Mr. Canucklehead]

We had really bad locker room issues starting in 15-16 but as the Sedins were consummate professionals, it was hidden extremely well.

The bad 15-16 locker room issues led to Jake becoming Jake and Jared becoming Jared and the Canucks utterly failing at rebuilding.

I suppose that’s a fair point, too.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Well, I actually watched that. I keep hoping that every crap game I watch will be the last before Aquaman finally pulls the plug, but somehow it never is.

I'm having a very, very hard time trying to think of a sloppier team I've seen at the NHL level. In their own zone their play just crumbles. Whiffs, misses, giveaways, nobody on the puck, nothing going right. There are traces of individual efforts here and there, but the team's clearly spinning out of control. Coaching is gone. Green's a dead man walking, and the assistants except for Ian Clarke all should be too.

This is what hitting bottom looks like.

But boy, good thing they didn't try to rebuild and create a losing culture like Edmonton, huh? Yeah. Sure.

 

[Breakers]

Kraken are about to pass us with one more win.

dead last in the north division
To
Dead last in the pacific division

 

[Jyrki]

No kidding. Even with bad teams over the past few years, it hasn’t felt like we’ve had massive locker room problems - and now it does.

This is where that 2020 off season stings hard. Losing all of Tanev, Toffoli, Stecher and Markstrom in one fell swoop was a lot of locker room leadership and character vets walking away.

The worst part is that Toffoli was targeted by Benning, yet couldn't think far ahead enough to think about managing the cap to retain him. He knew these players were important, he was just too incompetent and dim-witted to retain them.

 

[Svencouver]

Can I be honest? Im amazed some of you guys are still watching the games. It's a waste of your life at this point, I'm serious when I say that

 

[krutovsdonut]

The video is worse than the transcript

amazing.

 

[mathonwy]

Can I be honest? Im amazed some of you guys are still watching the games. It's a waste of your life at this point, I'm serious when I say that

A lot of us have been watching this train wreck from day 0.

Hard to look away tbh.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

The worst part is that Toffoli was targeted by Benning, yet couldn't think far ahead enough to think about managing the cap to retain him. He knew these players were important, he was just too incompetent and dim-witted to retain them.

I'm not defending Benning when I say that this is fantasy nonsense.

What happened was the Aquillini group totally changed direction from spending a lot of money and wanting to rush a rebuild to total austerity because they weren't making money due to the pandemic. Yes, a billionaire family decided that ruining the future in order to make the next quarter look financially less bad was prudent.

They refused to facilitate buyouts that would have allowed us to keep Tanev and Toffoli, which is what Benning wanted to do.

Now, Benning has to go and Green does too, but pretending that it's because he's just too dumb to have a plan in place for 6 months is a childish perspective on the world. I swear some people in these threads think they are children in a movie for kids where every adult is just obviously stupid.

It's more complex than that and ultimately sadder. If the problem really was just Benning, then firing him would solve it. How do you fix a dipshit slum landlord ownership? You can't. We're like Buffalo unless another family member wrests control from Franceso and institutes a real president.

I have been a die hard for more than 25 years and the only other time that was quite this bleak was 97-98 and at least then a bunch of heads rolled.

 

[David71]

I see Sekeres is speculating that there’s something of a competing leadership role between Horvat and Miller. He feels Horvat is seen as the “company man” whereas Miller is more “stick it to the man”.

Obviously it’s speculation and Sekeres’ track record is spotty at best with inside scoops. But it certainly feels, especially with Miller’s interview answer today, that there’s a divide in the room.

horvat/green. the rest of the team+miller against green? its better to fire him now. plane rides dressing rooms must be awfully quiet. if there is a divide in the room.

Gary Valk (who is familiar with players and dressing rooms) just tweeted
"The Canucks in my opinion have a team that have a bunch of individuals who have never had to work for anything their whole life. Now that adversity is hit they are dazed and confused."

 

[krutovsdonut]

No kidding. Even with bad teams over the past few years, it hasn’t felt like we’ve had massive locker room problems - and now it does.

This is where that 2020 off season stings hard. Losing all of Tanev, Toffoli, Stecher and Markstrom in one fell swoop was a lot of locker room leadership and character vets walking away.

it is now clear we have never recovered from that.

apart from the on ice impact, the key players to differing degrees quit when that happened and have not come back.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Can I be honest? Im amazed some of you guys are still watching the games. It's a waste of your life at this point, I'm serious when I say that

i also attend funerals about people i care about.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

horvat/green. the rest of the team+miller against green? its better to fire him now. plane rides dressing rooms must be awfully quiet. if there is a divide in the room.

Gary Valk (who is familiar with players and dressing rooms) just tweeted
"The Canucks in my opinion have a team that have a bunch of individuals who have never had to work for anything their whole life. Now that adversity is hit they are dazed and confused."

I saw that Tweet from Valk - I am wondering if he meant the players, or the ownership group, actually.

If it’s the players, it comes off as incredibly tone deaf. Making the NHL requires a ton of hard work and sacrifice, as he well knows. There might be a rift or an issue or some personality clashes, to be sure. But, to label a whole team as “people who never had to work for anything” is the pot calling the kettle black.

Now, if it’s about ownership, that reads differently. The Aquilinis arrived with silver spoons in hand thanks to their father’s fortune. It might have been a pointed comment meant for them.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

No kidding. Even with bad teams over the past few years, it hasn’t felt like we’ve had massive locker room problems - and now it does.

This is where that 2020 off season stings hard. Losing all of Tanev, Toffoli, Stecher and Markstrom in one fell swoop was a lot of locker room leadership and character vets walking away.

Not only does it sting hard - doing that has clearly divided the room and this is getting close to Captain America: Civil War territory.

This is worse than the Messier years.

 

[Pavel96]

@Pastor Of Muppetz can you tell us why Miller’s comments aren’t a big deal? I eagerly await.

It will be spun that yes, this is a big deal, but it is entirely the players fault for not being more professional, the coaches fault, the owner's fault, and maybe even the fans. Everyone will be at fault for this, the floods, COVID still, everything, except Jim Benning.

 

[David71]

Drance to Miller: "Is everyone buying in right now?" Miller couldn't or didn't answer the question. Spoke volumes. also there was a postgame article regarding the aqualinni brothers butting heads.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Miller is acting like more of a Captain than Horvat right now.

 

[David71]

Miller has played on good teams with good coaches his whole career. no doubt he has zero respect for Travis

but yet green keeps playing miller and giving him alot of mins

 

[MS]

I saw that Tweet from Valk - I am wondering if he meant the players, or the ownership group, actually.

If it’s the players, it comes off as incredibly tone deaf. Making the NHL requires a ton of hard work and sacrifice, as he well knows. There might be a rift or an issue or some personality clashes, to be sure. But, to label a whole team as “people who never had to work for anything” is the pot calling the kettle black.

Now, if it’s about ownership, that reads differently. The Aquilinis arrived with silver spoons in hand thanks to their father’s fortune. It might have been a pointed comment meant for them.

Based on Valk's history he was probably referring to the players. And as you say, tone-deaf. But it's exactly correct in referring to ownership and management.

 

[kanucks25]

I guess I'm the only one reading it wrong 'cause to me it seemed like Miller was more annoyed with the question than anything.

 

[arttk]

I'm not defending Benning when I say that this is fantasy nonsense.

What happened was the Aquillini group totally changed direction from spending a lot of money and wanting to rush a rebuild to total austerity because they weren't making money due to the pandemic. Yes, a billionaire family decided that ruining the future in order to make the next quarter look financially less bad was prudent.

They refused to facilitate buyouts that would have allowed us to keep Tanev and Toffoli, which is what Benning wanted to do.

Now, Benning has to go and Green does too, but pretending that it's because he's just too dumb to have a plan in place for 6 months is a childish perspective on the world. I swear some people in these threads think they are children in a movie for kids where every adult is just obviously stupid.

It's more complex than that and ultimately sadder. If the problem really was just Benning, then firing him would solve it. How do you fix a dipshit slum landlord ownership? You can't. We're like Buffalo unless another family member wrests control from Franceso and institutes a real president.

I have been a die hard for more than 25 years and the only other time that was quite this bleak was 97-98 and at least then a bunch of heads rolled.

We spent 8M+ on Hamonic, Holtby and Virtanen. There was enough to retain Tanev and Toffoli, Benning was just too f***ing dumb and prioritize the wrong guys.

 

[kanucks25]

I see Sekeres is speculating that there’s something of a competing leadership role between Horvat and Miller. He feels Horvat is seen as the “company man” whereas Miller is more “stick it to the man”.

Obviously it’s speculation and Sekeres’ track record is spotty at best with inside scoops. But it certainly feels, especially with Miller’s interview answer today, that there’s a divide in the room.

Would really suck if Horvat was part of the problem. I want to cheer for the guy lol.

What a toxic situation that would be, especially if the majority of players were on Miller's side (which I assume they are based on their lackluster play).

 

[VanillaCoke]

He's the dumbest person in professional sports and it's not particularly close.

 

[canucksfan]

Nucks have four regulation wins in 20 games. Only the Yotes have fewer regulation wins. Their purposely tanking while the Nucks are trying to go deep into the playoffs. Furthermore , the Nucks have been really healthy too.

 

[Paradise Circus]

let's just make sure not to trade Miller or anyone until the deadline so we can actually get some good value for them.

 

[Breakers]

Yes!!!!!
Drance did have that sequence from Myers

look at this Lutz.
simple breakout pass to our leading scorer?
Nahhhhhh wrist shot to the back of his head