Baksfamous112
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Panarin > Stone >>>> Nylander. Regardless of ace, if all three sign a long term contract, whoever Toronto gets out of the two others makes out like Bandit. It’s not even remotely close
Yeah, I mean Panarin is an electrifying player but Nylander isn't bad himself and the Leafs are already more than set up front.This is correct. I don't see Dubas trading Nylander...but if he did, it would be for D.
Yup. I mean if the Leafs can get for rental price, sure....but there is no reason to move top assets for anything other than D.Yeah, I mean Panarin is an electrifying player but Nylander isn't bad himself and the Leafs are already more than set up front.
Am I the only one who would rather have stone than panarin? Selke calibre, would do lots to improve the quality of team defense,
Maybe not the only one but I'd imagine you'd be in the minority. Panarin is light-years ahead offensively for me and not that bad defensively either (an area of his game that has steadily improved during each NHL season). I love Stone but last year was his offensive breakout whereas the Breadman has been this good for 3 years.
Stone broke out last year?
Have you looked at his career stats?
I don't know how last year could be viewed as a break out year for Stone - 3rd time over the 60pt barrier with a similar shooting % as the years before and a higher OIsh% than the previous two seasons.Yes, I am very aware of his career stats and I've watched him play a great deal, wasn't trying to diminish him at all. But a 60pt guy who gets a ton of icetime is nowhere close to Panarin's offensive level the past 3 years. There was a big difference last year with Stone producing at a Panarin-level (PPG) before his injury. My use of "breakout" might have been loose but I think in context it was justifiable.
I don't know how last year could be viewed as a break out year for Stone - 3rd time over the 60pt barrier with a similar shooting % as the years before and a higher OIsh% than the previous two seasons.
Agree that there's a gap between the two players offensively, but "breakout" is used to mean a season where a player elevated his level of play to another tier, and I don't think that's applicable when comparing Stone's last season to the 3 before it
I think your idea is right, but you're using a word that usually means an improvement in play relative to a player's own previous level of playFair enough. To be fair the actual post was "offensive breakout" and in my mind there are levels to this. A 60 pt guy is in a substantially lower level than an 80+ pt guy. Again, maybe the word "breakout" was misleading. I was moreso implying that this was the first season in Stone's career that he could be considered a borderline elite offensive player to go along with his already elite defensive abilities.
Panarin > Stone >>>> Nylander. Regardless of ace, if all three sign a long term contract, whoever Toronto gets out of the two others makes out like Bandit. It’s not even remotely close
Except Nylander isn't looking to bolt from his current team...Nylander has no business being in a deal with Panarin & Stone.
Sure he does. He is controllable asset that won't be breaking the bank as the other guys will be and has the potential to become as good as panarin (even though it may not be likely).Nylander has no business being in a deal with Panarin & Stone.
Unless they are re-upping, pending UFAs in particular value choice more than that eighth year.
The same is true of Panarin and the Jackets. The problem is one of whether or not they'll be able to stay.Hahaha no. Stone is more valuable to the sens that both.
not to rub salt in the wound, but is chemistry really a consideration with the current Sens NHL roster? From the outside it definitely feels like most of them will be gone before the team is competitive againHahaha no. Stone is more valuable to the sens that both.
The question for the Leafs is how much is Panarin signed long term for?
Are we assuming Kucherov money? 9.5 million for 7/8 years? If that's the case, then yes, Nylander has to go. We can't afford Panarin + Tavares and the 3 kids.
Would I straight up swap Panarin/Nylander if Columbus (for whatever reason) said ok. Because Columbus is comfortable in their cap structure paying Nylander less for 6/7 years at this time.
The answer is yes, for a long term Panarin.
But there is a lot of assuming. No one even knows Panarin's long range plan. At present he might have a destination in mind (he wont sign an extension) and is only dealt as a 1 year option.
The answer to that then is no.
Nylander has no business being in a deal with Panarin & Stone.
If Panarin and Stone are signed to long term extensions, than yes they would return more than Nylander.I guarantee you if/when Panarin and/or Stone is traded they wont get a player like Nylander.
Leafs probably need a to add a little but Nylander's RFA years is what makes this a closer trade than you think.
I bet you stone and Duchene both sign long term deals. Karlsson is the one that will leave.not to rub salt in the wound, but is chemistry really a consideration with the current Sens NHL roster? From the outside it definitely feels like most of them will be gone before the team is competitive again