Out of Town Thread VII

[DAChampion]

Only took them a light year to get there offensively. Congrats. We should probably just give them the stanley cup today.

A light year is a unit of distance, not time.

 

[koyvoo]

It’s both

 

[Habs Halifax]

Only took them a light year to get there offensively. Congrats. We should probably just give them the stanley cup today.

I wonder if Tavares signs if they lost the draft lottery and ended up with Puljujarvi vs Matthews?

- Trades Kessel and captain pylon in liquidation trade value to help them tank.
- Finishes last and also wins the draft lottery (20% chance to win). They get Matthews
- They insert the 3 young guns all in one season and turn their direction around.
- Tavares becomes UFA cause the Islanders were going nowhere and he liked the idea playing for a very good young team who he cheered for as a kid.

They had some luck. But I do give Shanahan credit for liquidating Kessel and Phaneuf to set them selfs up to be in the best situation possible to win the lottery

 

[26Mats]

Only took them a light year to get there offensively. Congrats. We should probably just give them the stanley cup today.

Oh they're definitely a team built through the lottery. I'm just saying, this is a team we're going to need to go through to win a cup.

 

[Tyson]

Lemieux had issues with his back dating back from juniors. He's always had to deal with major health issues, and to that you add the cancer. While Orr had bad knees, he didn't have guys hanging onto him to go for a ride like Lemieux often did. I don't think you realize in how terrible shape Lemieux was...there was a point where he couldn't even tie his own skates, he'd still go out and dominate.
The Pens even cuztomised his own stall so he'd be more comfortable sitting down and giving room for trainers to tie him up. The Dr. there even recalls how they would help him stand up and give him a little push to get him moving.

You should watch Lemieux documentaries, they give some good insight into just how bad it was for him.

It's not comparable.

I saw both players play and there was Orr on one level and Lemieux and the rest on another level. I saw both players play many times growing up. It’s a difference of opinion. You have yours, I have mine. Move on.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

To not factor in simple health issues like..you know...cancer...shows a complete lack of objectivity.
I said ''to me'' it isn't debatable, and that's because of his health issues. Maybe it's because I work in the field of physical health and performance..I am aware of the gruel affects of steady performance, so to do what he did with his poor health, to me, is pretty much superhero-esque, and none of the other GOATs fall into that category. He is on his own.

The problem here is cancer wasn't a diagnosis until 92-93, we already seen the best Lemieux. No one is saying what he did that season wasn't remarkable. He underwent radiation/chemo to comeback and take an Art Ross from Patty Lafontaine, simply incredible, but this doesn't elevate him to the best ever. Incredible display for sure.

Wayne had a 51 game point streak where he averaged 3 ppg, simply unreal.

Mario had a lot of health issues beyond his control, but Mario never took great care of himself either. His fitness, diet, conditioning, smoking cigarettes were all self inflicted Wounds tgat contributed to his overall poor health. Gretzky on the other hand was a fitness freak and took better care of himself, sorry but this isn't something that Mario should be credited for.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Disagree., You can't sweep their talent under the rug. Its also why I consider Koivu a #1C. Major health issues and great skill and hockey IQ, but he would ave been much better if he hadn't been injured so badly.

Mike Bossy is another guy that should be considered top 10 all time goal scorer but people forget a lot about him.

Bossy is still a top 10 goal scorer of all time. In fact he's probably thought of more highly than he should have been because his lack of games played post prime. Same thing applies to Orr. No one remembers them in their late 30's struggling to keep up. A lot of ppl seem to remember Wayne as a Ranger and forget about his dominance in Edmonton/LA. Lemieux was much more reliant on the PP and Wayne was much dominant at even strength. I can see an argument that Lemieux may have had more physical talent, but the buck stops there IMO. Gretzky was greater.

 

[Whitesnake]

Huge 3 minutes of playing time for Nikita.....must be exhausted..lol

 

[KFlint]

Injury or just plain suckage?

 

[Doc McKenna]

The problem here is cancer wasn't a diagnosis until 92-93, we already seen the best Lemieux. No one is saying what he did that season wasn't remarkable. He underwent radiation/chemo to comeback and take an Art Ross from Patty Lafontaine, simply incredible, but this doesn't elevate him to the best ever. Incredible display for sure.

Wayne had a 51 game point streak where he averaged 3 ppg, simply unreal.

Mario had a lot of health issues beyond his control, but Mario never took great care of himself either. His fitness, diet, conditioning, smoking cigarettes were all self inflicted Wounds tgat contributed to his overall poor health. Gretzky on the other hand was a fitness freak and took better care of himself, sorry but this isn't something that Mario should be credited for.

Yeah when noraml games were 7-5...there is no comparing players or eras. But you can argue both were among the best. Richard during his time was unbelievable. But no one really puts him in the same category as everyone else.

Grant fuhrs numbers while being on a super winning team. Wouldn't be a backup to condon given the numbers in the present nhl

1981–82	Edmonton Oilers	NHL	48	28	5	14	2847	157	0	3.31	.899	5	2	3	309	26	0	5.05	.852
1982–83	Edmonton Oilers	NHL	32	13	12	5	1803	129	0	4.29	.868	1	0	0	11	0	0	0.00	1.000
1982–83	Moncton Alpines	AHL	10	4	5	1	604	40	0	3.97	—	—	—	—	—	—	—	—	—
1983–84	Edmonton Oilers	NHL	45	30	10	4	2625	171	1	3.91	.883	16	11	4	882	44	1	3.00	.910
1984–85	Edmonton Oilers	NHL	46	26	8	7	2559	165	1	3.87	.884	18	15	3	1057	55	0	3.12	.895
1985–86	Edmonton Oilers	NHL	40	29	8	0	2184	143	0	3.93	.890	9	5	4	540	28	0	3.12	.897
1986–87	Edmonton Oilers	NHL	44	22	13	3	2388	137	0	3.44	.881	19	14	5	1143	47	0	2.47	.908
1987–88	Edmonton Oilers	NHL	75	40	24	9	4304	246	4	3.43	.881	19	16	2	1136	55	0	2.91	.883
1988–89	Edmonton Oilers	NHL	59	23	26	6	3341	213	1	3.83	.875	7	3	4	417	24	1	3.45	.894

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[Adriatic]

Huge 3 minutes of playing time for Nikita.....must be exhausted..lol

No worries, he's pacing himself.

 

[DAChampion]

The problem here is cancer wasn't a diagnosis until 92-93, we already seen the best Lemieux. No one is saying what he did that season wasn't remarkable. He underwent radiation/chemo to comeback and take an Art Ross from Patty Lafontaine, simply incredible, but this doesn't elevate him to the best ever. Incredible display for sure.

Wayne had a 51 game point streak where he averaged 3 ppg, simply unreal.

Mario had a lot of health issues beyond his control, but Mario never took great care of himself either. His fitness, diet, conditioning, smoking cigarettes were all self inflicted Wounds tgat contributed to his overall poor health. Gretzky on the other hand was a fitness freak and took better care of himself, sorry but this isn't something that Mario should be credited for.

Wayne Gretzky has ultimately had the best career. What can be argued for Mario is that he may have been the most talented player ever, but that's a different statement.

I didn't know about the health care aspect. I'm sure that professional athletes today avoid smoking cigarettes and going to the Cheesecake Factory, but I don't think they tried as hard in the 1970s. If so, Gretzky was ahead of the curve.

 

[1909]

Bossy is still a top 10 goal scorer of all time. In fact he's probably thought of more highly than he should have been because his lack of games played post prime. Same thing applies to Orr. No one remembers them in their late 30's struggling to keep up. A lot of ppl seem to remember Wayne as a Ranger and forget about his dominance in Edmonton/LA. Lemieux was much more reliant on the PP and Wayne was much dominant at even strength. I can see an argument that Lemieux may have had more physical talent, but the buck stops there IMO. Gretzky was greater.

Lemieux was more abused physically than Gretzky who had Semenko and McSorley to take care of him.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Wayne Gretzky has ultimately had the best career. What can be argued for Mario is that he may have been the most talented player ever, but that's a different statement.

I didn't know about the health care aspect. I'm sure that professional athletes today avoid smoking cigarettes and going to the Cheesecake Factory, but I don't think they tried as hard in the 1970s. If so, Gretzky was ahead of the curve.

I took Lemieux 5 years to be surrounded with talent, while Gretzky started playing in his second season with Kurri, Messier, Anderson Coffey and company. In comparison, Mario played with Cunneyworth, Errey, Quinn, Ruskowski and Doug Bodger

 

[No fan fiction]

... continue discussion here.

DLR scored a goal his last game. He is barely on a 20pt, 9 min/game pace.
If I follow the "asset management" experts around here correctly, look for DTW to trade him while he's blooming like the rare orchid he has become.
If they don't, I fully expect to see a ton of posts here calling out DTW for keeping him when he's at such unbelievable value.

 

[DAChampion]

DLR scored a goal his last game. He is barely on a 20pt, 9 min/game pace.
If I follow the "asset management" experts around here correctly, look for DTW to trade him while he's blooming like the rare orchid he has become.
If they don't, I fully expect to see a ton of posts here calling out DTW for keeping him when he's at such unbelievable value.

Is anyone here following Detroit to any level of detail?

Is his production a fluke?

He was said to be an offensive black hole. His production should be at a 0-point pace.

 

[Tuggy]

Nice for Buffalo to get him off the cap...

 

[BLONG7]

Nice for Buffalo to get him off the cap...

This guy was a good player for the Blues...........what happened here? Did not want to go to Buffalo? Weird...

 

[Mrb1p]

A light year is a unit of distance, not time.

Maybe he meant it took them a whole year ?

 

[Kimota]

And in typical Quebec fashion build the rink once there is no team.

Stupiest post I've ever seen.

 

[sheed36]

This guy was a good player for the Blues...........what happened here? Did not want to go to Buffalo? Weird...

TSN690 just said the Sabres are gonna terminate his contract and Berglund will forfeit 12.5m dollars. I guess he really doesn't want to play in Buffalo to give up that much money or is there some other issue going on with him?

 

[Rapala]

Stupiest post I've ever seen.

Booooo Hoooooo

 

[1909]

TSN690 just said the Sabres are gonna terminate his contract and Berglund will forfeit 12.5m dollars. I guess he really doesn't want to play in Buffalo to give up that much money or is there some other issue going on with him?

Does it mean he becomes a totally UFA ?

 

[Andrei79]

It’s both

We usually just say "year".

 

[1909]

Huge 3 minutes of playing time for Nikita.....must be exhausted..lol

According to LA fans on HFBoards, Scherbak is playing well but..... Coach Desjardins hates Russian players !!!!