Out of Town Scoreboard 2017-18 season III: Stanley Cup Playoffs

[Cage Helmet]

Neither one of those guys has had the sustained success as Trotz (especially with the rosters he has had) or Boudreau.

Bylsma and Carlyle managed to **** the bed with elite rosters. Carlyle was gifted one of the best top four defensive groups in NHL history and Bylsma got to ride shotgun on a recent SCF finalist.

Only thing Trotz and Boudreau are guilty of (no longer Trotz) is playoff failures. Two completely different things.

What are you talking about? Bylsma made the the playoffs every year until he got to Buffalo. Possibly because they sucked and Pittsburgh didn’t? So how are they two different things? Buffalo was an elite roster?

 

[MadDevil]

Boudreau is a good coach. He just can't seem to get over the hump in the playoffs.

 

[MadDevil]

OMG!!

HERE IT IS!!!

I won't post it 'cause it's NSFW so here's the image :
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfI8OQUW4AA60En.jpg


DAMN, SON!

(only in vegas)

Burakovsky looks very appreciative.

 

[Zippy316]

Don't you think maybe he churns out 100+ point seasons because of stacked rosters? Why does he get so much credit? Now he coaches an inferior team and the results aren't as good.

Tocchet coached for almost two years in Tampa before this. They were a trainwreck.


Rick Tocchet NHL & WHA Hockey Coaching Record | Hockey-Reference.com

And before you say bad roster, then you might wanna concede that Boudreau had stacked rosters.

Boudreau has had some very good teams. But stacked rosters is pushing it.

Every team he's coached on has had a lot of nice pieces but is very flawed. Original Caps were regular season juggernauts with ridiculous offensive talent but questionable depth and mediocre defense. They got eaten alive every playoffs once teams were able to gameplan them and realize Jeff Schultz is on their first pair.

I'll admit those Ducks teams he was on were stacked, but he also came within a game 7 of going to the finals. Obviously, success is measured in Stanley Cup rings, but that is a very successful season.

I forgot about Tocchet's first go-around, but that was after the whole Melrose debacle and while the Lightning were rebuilding IIRC. All I can remember from that Lightning era was them being a complete shitshow and their goaltending being a revolving carousel of Mike Smith, Nittymaki, and Holmqvist or whatever the other guys name was.

 

[glenwo2]

Burakovsky looks very appreciative.

Don't think Burakovsky saw her yet but in the background afterward as the camera panned away while following Ovy, you could see him and a bunch of players turn right around and LOOK.

I can only assume it's probably some lady of the night advertising her "wares" for potential customers.

Only in Vegas.

 

[NJDevs26]

Yo, why does Vegas boo Bettman? I love booing Scary Buttman, but they’re like the last fan base that should be booing him right now.

Las Vegas fans are such hockey noobs they dont know enough to boo Bettman.

So was he booed or not? I would tend to agree with Cage, Vegas is the one fanbase I'd actually excuse not booing him cause the expansion rules gave them a chance to be competitive.

 

[AveryQuietMan]

So was he booed or not? I would tend to agree with Cage, Vegas is the one fanbase I'd actually excuse not booing him cause the expansion rules gave them a chance to be competitive.

he was booed.

but there was so much red in that crowd......

 

[Zippy316]

What are you talking about? Bylsma made the the playoffs every year until he got to Buffalo. Possibly because they sucked and Pittsburgh didn’t? So how are they two different things? Buffalo was an elite roster?

Bylsma managed to take a roster that was stacked and make them look painfully average. I don't know how the hell he did it, but despite all their superstars, I was never afraid or feared the Penguins as a legitimate threat while he was there.

When I watch a Boudreau or Trotz coach team, I've more often than not seen a discipline, structured team who plays their asses off. Their losses always seemed more from ridiculous performances (Halak in 2010), being outmatched roster-wise (Nashville Trotz), or just a toss up series that didn't go their way.

 

[Zippy316]

So was he booed or not? I would tend to agree with Cage, Vegas is the one fanbase I'd actually excuse not booing him cause the expansion rules gave them a chance to be competitive.

There was about 5,000 Capitals fans in the house there, I'd be willing to bet they were the ones doing the booing.

 

[glenwo2]

Here's the call from Washington's side :

 

[Satans Hockey]

I must be more of a heartless asshole than the majority of you. I just don't care that he won or their fans finally got to see a win. Means absolutely nothing to me and I'm not even the slightest bit happy for anyone on that team or their fans. f*** em.

Amazing what a few years of being dog shit can do for some teams. I remember going to a Devils game in DC in Ovi's first year down there and moved from the rafters downstairs because nobody was there cause nobody gave a shit. The bandwagons sure do get full when a team starts finally getting over that dog shit hump. Ours included.

That being said I really didn't care who won. I watched every playoff game this year like I always do but I was really burnt out on it this year and I'm glad it's over.

 

[Bleedred]

Boudreau has had some very good teams. But stacked rosters is pushing it.

Every team he's coached on has had a lot of nice pieces but is very flawed. Original Caps were regular season juggernauts with ridiculous offensive talent but questionable depth and mediocre defense. They got eaten alive every playoffs once teams were able to gameplan them and realize Jeff Schultz is on their first pair.

I'll admit those Ducks teams he was on were stacked, but he also came within a game 7 of going to the finals. Obviously, success is measured in Stanley Cup rings, but that is a very successful season.

I forgot about Tocchet's first go-around, but that was after the whole Melrose debacle and while the Lightning were rebuilding IIRC. All I can remember from that Lightning era was them being a complete ****show and their goaltending being a revolving carousel of Mike Smith, Nittymaki, and Holmqvist or whatever the other guys name was.

If you wanna say I'm wrong in saying Boudreau sucks, I think that's fine, but I also think it's short-sighted to say he's good because of his teams having success and always making the playoffs. Do you really think all the teams he's coached would have missed the playoffs with an average head coach? Or that a really bad (but maybe not the worst team in the league) team last couple years would have been in the playoffs with Boudreau? I don't think so.

Bad head coaches win cups sometimes too. Bob Hartley was a stupid one and he won a cup and got to a couple other conference finals with that Colorado team.

I liken Bylsma to him, but they obviously came from very different backgrounds. I can see Bylsma getting another head coaching position years down the road, but probably after serving as an assistant or as a head coach in Europe first, much like Hartley who went to Europe between his Atlanta stint and coming back to the NHL in Calgary. He may like his TV job better than coaching though. It might be safer and provide more security.

I have also acknowledged Boudreau had poor goalies, mostly in Washington, so I give him a bit of pass there. Tocchet also did, but it's also clear to see his team has no system. When they were winning towards the end of the year, it was because of Raanta, who is probably the best goalie he's ever had, as funny as that may sound.

 

[Bleedred]

I swore Bettman was booed, but maybe it was the Caps fans?

I will say this, he wasn't booed like he is in most cities after a cup win.

 

[Lou is God]

IDK how any Devils fan can root for the Caps. Ovechkin is pure scum as a human being lol. Dont care how good he is as a player. Dont want to see him win.

I go down every year for a Devils game (my mom is from the area and have family there) and Caps fans never bust your chops and they love their Capitals, not once has a foul word been tossed my way. Good for them, they deserve this cup and that's why I personally rooting for them

 

[Bleedred]

Boudreau is a good coach. He just can't seem to get over the hump in the playoffs.

Average? Maybe. I'll accept it.

I just don't see him as anything special. I do think McLellan is worse, but McLellan also doesn't get the hype Boudreau does. Most fans (except a few Sharks fans who I used to street fight with on their board) don't think McLellan is good. His reputation around the league among fans is not as strong as Boudreau's.

The media will probably call him a good coach, but it's almost sacrilege to say ''He's not a good coach'' about any NHL head coach in the media. It's been done, there are plenty of examples, but it's not something you hear often.

I have always given Trotz high marks, though I did start to doubt him after some of Caps chokejobs in recent years.

I think Sullivan is really good, but you can easily argue he benefits from stacked teams as well, just like Cooper.

 

[glenwo2]

This is for you, @Bleedred :

 

[NJDevs26]

he was booed.

but there was so much red in that crowd......

Well then all bets are off over the crowd reaction lol...I don't know how much is a lot. There were SOME Kings fans in the arena in Game 5 but evidently not nearly as many as there were Caps fans tonight.

There was about 5,000 Capitals fans in the house there, I'd be willing to bet they were the ones doing the booing.

Wow I guess Vegas fans already cynically learned how to make money lol. Had to have all been sold in the last three days cause I can't picture anyone selling their seats when there was a chance at 2-2.

 

[glenwo2]

@MadDevil , I take that back.

Burakovsky WAS appreciative :

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfI58mUWsAAbxiz.jpg

 

[Bleedred]

This is for you, @Bleedred :

That's pretty funny for some reason haha.

Good for Trotz, I used to defend Trotz a lot when Nashville fans were torching him. A lot of Nashville fans think their team was good enough to at least get to the third round at some point between 2006-2012 and I'm not sure they were. The 2007 team was pretty good, but then they traded Vokoun to Florida and had some other bum (it was before Rinne) playing for them and it probably wasted hopes of a long playoff run that year. I think it was Dan Ellis? I think that was the team that knocked out Hasek that year and effectively ended his playing career in NHL. Then they went to Osgood and he wound up winning the series for Detroit after Hasek was helping out Nashville. That was also the year (I think?) that Steve Sullivan was injured the entire season. He was also out for part of the next season I think?

I've actually been anti-Poile more than anything. Poile has been a GM for 36 years, yet he's been to the SCF once and conference finals twice. Last year was his first conference finals since 1990. And the Caps went to the SCF the year after Poile was fired by Washington back in 1998! I think Poile is a good GM, I think he wins almost all of his trades, I just don't think he's legendary. I think he's had some of his best years as a GM the last 3-4 years. Maybe another stretch in Washington, but I didn't see all that much in Nashville before 2014 or 2015, other than icing a competitive team that was usually in the playoffs.

 

[glenwo2]

Welp.....the Good News is the Caps won the Cup.


The Bad News is that there's no more Hockey for awhile.

 

[glenwo2]

I find DSP very funny for some reason :

 

[Bleedred]

Welp.....the Good News is the Caps won the Cup.


The Bad News is that there's no more Hockey for awhile.

Ugh, whatever will I do? I was already having trouble adjusting to hockey not being on every night for the past couple weeks.

I find DSP very funny for some reason :

Seems like a cool guy.

 

[Blackjack]

IDK how any Devils fan can root for the Caps. Ovechkin is pure scum as a human being lol. Dont care how good he is as a player. Dont want to see him win.

How is Ovechkin pure scum as a human being?

 

[NJDevs26]

How is Ovechkin pure scum as a human being?

Let's not go there again, suffice it to say his answer was politically based.

 

[glenwo2]

Ugh, whatever will I do? I was already having trouble adjusting to hockey not being on every night for the past couple weeks.

Seems like a cool guy.

He really does. He's like someone you go out to a bar for a beer and just hang out.