Ottawa Senators send down Drake Batherson and Filip Chlapik to Belleville
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DrEasy
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I didn't necessarily agree with the initial roster (Sabourin over Paul?), but once you make that decision, stick to it at least for 10 games and see what you have. Instead you're giving limited minutes or scratching Chlapik, and now you're sending him down along with Batherson, which completely invalidates the decisions you made just two games ago. Just no direction or principles.
Now I hope Paul is one of the ones coming back up, but also hoping he gets some minutes.
Now I hope Paul is one of the ones coming back up, but also hoping he gets some minutes.
Caeldan
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As people have pointed out, this could just be a monetary move.
Teams pressed against the cap and with a local AHL team have done this plenty of times in the past (Philadelphia was notorious for it when their AHL rink was across the street from the NHL rink, and I believe caused a rule change ; San Jose has also been one with a reputation for it).
So no reason why a budget team wouldn't do the same thing. We'll see though if they're called up before our next game.
Teams pressed against the cap and with a local AHL team have done this plenty of times in the past (Philadelphia was notorious for it when their AHL rink was across the street from the NHL rink, and I believe caused a rule change ; San Jose has also been one with a reputation for it).
So no reason why a budget team wouldn't do the same thing. We'll see though if they're called up before our next game.
DJB
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Had Balcers not been hurt Chalpik would have been in the A.
FolignoQuantumLeap
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Why Paul? Sabourin belongs in the NHL just as much if not more. Ideally neither is near the NHL.
DrEasy
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DrEasy
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That's not the point though, who cares if Paul is better or Sabourin is better; like you said neither probably belongs in the NHL. I was just pointing out that I didn't agree with the initial roster, but once it was decided I was in favor of going with it for a while, giving it time, evaluating it properly, then making changes based on that careful evaluation.
Sensung
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Taking a guess at why it would be such a short stint isn't starting a rumours is it?
Perhaps- used expressing uncertainty or possibility .
How is that worthy of a 'kick' what rules have been broken?
I see people guessing money and such are they starting rumours also?
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SensHulk
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If this is for monetary reasons to save on 5 days of NHL salary, that’s gotta be an all time worst for pettiness at a professional level.
I suspect that balcers is about to return or that there is a trade brewing. Surprised Chlapik isn’t getting a better look. Josh Ho Sang incoming for Chlapik?
I suspect that balcers is about to return or that there is a trade brewing. Surprised Chlapik isn’t getting a better look. Josh Ho Sang incoming for Chlapik?
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FolignoQuantumLeap
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Well, I'm 'guessing' about saving money because of the hard facts of them saving money by sending two way contracts down to the minors. I might get banned for that, but I was just wondering if you had any basis for your speculation.
You could just say "no".
Just seems like a strange thing to do. I can't see the savings being enough to rip these guys off and risk them wanting to leave out of spite, but who knows with EM being able to gamble a million away on a sunday morning I can't imagine how much he could lose on friday and saturday night. After a few years of that, I cant think much is left.
GodI wish he could get a good offer for the team.
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The only consistent thing we've seen from DJ Smith has been White at centre with Tkachuk on his wing. I think it will stay that way with White as our 1C, I don't see him being moved to the wing.
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I really hope it isn't....that's a shitty way to run an organization.
I'm hoping it's more to do with the NHLPA and regulations on practice time. I don't have any info in front of me (and too lazy to look), but I'll take a guess that AHL teams are allowed much more practice time during the day/week than in the NHL CBA.
AchtzehnBaby
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The money theory is as real as Kathryn Kraft.
As the media said “There shouldn’t be any great surprise in the moves. Chlapik was a healthy scratch against the Rangers and Batherson has lost his nose for the net and his confidence following a shaky training camp”
They’ll be back. For sure
DrEasy
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The media you quoted doesn't give any answer. What did Chlapik do to deserve being a healthy scratch and ultimately demoted? If Batherson lost his nose and confidence at training camp, why was he kept in the opening roster? What was uncertain about him that needed just two more games to be confirmed?
More understandable will be if Abramov is finally healthy and needs a spot. I'd be surprised if Balcers has also recovered, but yeah, basically injured people coming back would be the most convincing explanation.
Samsquanch
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Ugh...
Defnitely willing to give the coaching staff more time to work with these young players.
But the trend of our coaches giving talented prospects 5-10 mins with scrubs AND expecting big things from them is getting so damn tiresome..
Its almost like these players have to come from outside of the organization to be given every opportunity to succeed (like a Turris, Chaison, Duclair). We've still never seen Chlapik play with NHL players yet to date.
Batherson bulldozed his way onto the top line last year because of his ridiculous stat line, but I really feel like we need to lower the bar for our prospects to get chance to play in the oh so prestigious Ottawa Senators top 9.........
Defnitely willing to give the coaching staff more time to work with these young players.
But the trend of our coaches giving talented prospects 5-10 mins with scrubs AND expecting big things from them is getting so damn tiresome..
Its almost like these players have to come from outside of the organization to be given every opportunity to succeed (like a Turris, Chaison, Duclair). We've still never seen Chlapik play with NHL players yet to date.
Batherson bulldozed his way onto the top line last year because of his ridiculous stat line, but I really feel like we need to lower the bar for our prospects to get chance to play in the oh so prestigious Ottawa Senators top 9.........
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I just have to say this is really a bad take. There's no gratuitous outrage around a team like the Senators, not in 2019. You're just using a popular notion to erase the 100% warranted pessimism the organization has and continues to garner.
Sending down 2 of the few kids that ARE on the team is not a good look when literally all you have left to hold onto as a fan is the youth movement(it's literally our slogan this season). Sure they do both probably need more time in the minors but this shows just how bare the cupboards are that we basically only have two or three young players we developed on the roster currently that are good enough to stay there. That's bad and there's no glossing over it. And before you say our AHL team is stacked with talent, the jury is still out on that. There's potential, there's promise, but who is a sure-fire star in the making? None that I see. Brannstrom is good but we had to lose an elite winger to get him so he needs to become a top-pairing guy to justify the trade.
So yeah, we should always question every move management makes because they haven't proven a thing so far.
Outrage culture my butt.
PoutineSp00nZ
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I don't think its a secret that the Sens lack blue chip prospects. Aside from one guy on defense that looks to stay in the bigs the season.
What they do have are a lot of B prospects. A few have star potential, most will end up topping out as middle sixers. Those players take longer to develop, and sending them to the wolves on the worst team in the NHL is the surest way to ruin their development. Let them temper in Belleville for another year or two.
The Senators need top 5 picks in the next two drafts to get those bluechip guys. Hell they need a first overall if we're going to be real about it. They need those kinds of prospects who can burst into the NHL for their first or second pro season, which is about when guys like Batherson and Chaplik and Brown will be ready to join them, if they're ever ready. And hopefully some other guys will exceed expectations along with them.
Slow and steady here. Its not ideal, but its what they have.
Question management all you want, you have every right to. I do. But one thing I don't question is letting prospects develop in the AHL. Its the right move for the pieces they have right now.
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Except that it's been done regularly by many franchises. San Jose used to do it for single day stints until they made the rule that players sent down needed to actually report physically to the franchise they were assigned to.
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I dislike Melnyk to a borderline unhealthy degree, and even I’d be shocked if this was a money thing. Saving 5 days of NHL minimum salary would not be worth the additional damage done to the team’s relationship with its players. I’m guessing Brown and Balcers are in for Friday’s game.
inthewings
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High-end teams doing it because they’re right up against the cap is different from the worst team in the league, with the lowest payroll in league history relative to the cap floor, doing it to save a few additional shekels.
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