If you're not sure then I don't think you've thought this through all that much. More teams with more cap dollars pretty much makes it more likely in the offseason by default and it has been what was expected to occur by those in hockey circles for practically the entire season. There's very little risk on San Jose's end to hold on to Karlsson through the rest of this season and the Sharks are plenty capable of handling any potential worst case scenario as it relates to Karlsson but if you want the Sharks or any team to retain on a contract with term, you're going to pay somehow and Edmonton simply isn't willing to yet. But them missing out on one of the best players in the league and settling for someone like Klingberg or Gostisbehere probably won't help the Oilers win a Cup and/or keep McDavid when his contract is up.
You think a 3rd team will retain anything on a contract with 4 years remaining? That won't happen. If the two teams are to come to an agreement, they're going to have to come up with a solution between the two of them.
I don't see us getting Karlsson for 7. I will never say another bad word about Kenny if he can get that amount. I'd expect maybe 8 - 8.5 is doable. That's 3 to 3.5M that the Sharks would be paying for 4 more years. It's a significant amount.
2024 1st should be if the Oilers win the cup, if not it'll be 2024 2nd
I don't think we should expect Karlsson to "disappear" though. He was splitting his role with Burns until this year, and rumour is that he had all sorts of nagging injuries for the past few years that seem to be behind him. Some Sharks fans have said that he changed up his offseason training and that is what helped him get over his injury issues.
At 8.5 I take out the 2023 1st. The risk is just too high with Karlssons history and going into the riskiest part of his contract.
We can't take out the biggest asset for the Sharks though. That 2023 1st has to be in there. 2023 1st, Barrie and one of Yamamoto/Pulujarvi all have to be a part of the deal. It's the rest of the pieces that might have some wiggle room.
That approach does make some sense to me. Just adding a shut-down guy (or even 2) to EDM isn't going to change how the entire team plays defense. I feel like that there are times (especially at the trade deadline) that it's better to embrace your strengths and double down instead of trying to fundamentally change the entire team.
Adding scoring is always good. They aren't giving up defense in a Karlsson trade.
Toronto tried that with barrie. It was stupid. It's better to go after someone like chychrun and wait until the coach gets fired so that someone can come in and implement a good structure.
Because Karlsson does waaaay more than Barrie. It’s not 100% the defense that sucks at defending. It’s the never ending cycle of not getting the puck out. A dman with transition skills will greatly affect our team defense.
Tyson Barrie is a dollar store D man. Karlsson is a guy who dominates best on best tournaments at both ends of the ice.
Oilers have given up the 30th goals against while also scoring the most in the NHL. They need to work on keeping the puck out of their own net. Not scoring more goals. EK is having an insane season but a lot of futures being spent on more offense would be silly. Even thought it would be fun to watch.
Because it didn't work with Barrie in TOR doesn't mean that it can't work, and this is the perfect example of confirmation bias. You make it sound like getting Chychrun would be an easy task. The trade price for Chychrun is going to be VERY high. He's obviously would be a GREAT add, but because of that I'm not sure if the Oilers can (or at least are willing to) pony up the necessary assets to get that deal done.
Of course they want to trade Karlsson. They're going through a rebuild and Grier is trying to accommodate players that would like to compete like he did for Burns. That doesn't mean you bend the knee to the first team that comes calling. Every contender has the flexibility in the offseason to open up 10 mil in cap if they so choose for the purposes of trading for Erik Karlsson. It really isn't that hard considering the Sharks' willingness to retain and take back cap. Seattle, for instance, has roughly 19 mil in cap space without talking about who they'd send the other way. Ottawa has 16 mil if they feel like they can mend fences with Karlsson and compete. Pretty sure Tampa has about 9 mil after Seabrook goes on LTIR. Dallas and Vegas are almost always in the mix for elite talent. There's always cap moving around in the offseason for the purposes of picking up other players. It's not at all difficult to find the cap dollars here if someone's willing to pay the price.
