Rumor: Oilers may be out (for now) on Karlsson due to $$. Looking at Klingberg & Gostisbehere as alternatives

[SeanMoneyHands]

Karlsson would help the Oilers transition game and he would get the puck up ice much quicker than any of the current oilers D. But he would not be able to clear the front of the net like a guy like Parayko would. That’s the Oilers biggest need, they have yet to recover from the loss of Larsson and Klefbomb.

 

[KCC]

Karlsson would help the Oilers transition game and he would get the puck up ice much quicker than any of the current oilers D. But he would not be able to clear the front of the net like a guy like Parayko would. That’s the Oilers biggest need, they have yet to recover from the loss of Larsson and Klefbomb.

Yes, and that's the team's biggest need, a really good puck moving defenseman who can eat up minutes and get the puck up to McDavid and Co. Has been for years. Nurse eats up minutes but he's terrible at break out passes. Most of their defense can't make a pass to save their lives. That's a huge reason why their 5 on 5 play is so bad. lol

 

[ijuka]

Karlsson would help the Oilers transition game and he would get the puck up ice much quicker than any of the current oilers D. But he would not be able to clear the front of the net like a guy like Parayko would. That’s the Oilers biggest need, they have yet to recover from the loss of Larsson and Klefbomb.

No team needs someone to clear the front of the net, this isn't 2002. This attitude is what caused the worst defenseman in NHL, Gudbranson, to get paid 4mil a year.


Know what's a better way to keep your netfront clear? Having the best transition defenseman in NHL, Erik Karlsson. Doesn't just clear the netfront, clears the entire defensive zone.

 

[iCanada]

Edmonton was never a serious EK65 landing spot to begin with.

They're never gonna win the Cup with half the cap tied up on their top line.

The oilers have less cap tied up in their top line than basically every other cup winner ever if you go by percentage.

Crosby was making 8.7 and Malkin 7.1 when the cap was like 50 mil. McDavid makes 12.5 and Draisaitl makes 8 and the cap is 83 mil.

 

[ManByng]

“Oilers looking at Klingberg and Gostisbehere”…. sure, why not look at a bunch of other d-men who can’t play defence? They’d fit right in!!

 

[LokiDog]

Hey Connor, we uh… we couldn’t get you Karlsson for the Cup push but we did get Shayne Gostisbehre. That’s somethin, eh??

 

[Petes2424]

No team needs someone to clear the front of the net, this isn't 2002. This attitude is what caused the worst defenseman in NHL, Gudbranson, to get paid 4mil a year.


Know what's a better way to keep your netfront clear? Having the best transition defenseman in NHL, Erik Karlsson. Doesn't just clear the netfront, clears the entire defensive zone.

It’s funny cause during the game the other night, the D was so bad retrieving the puck, I counted the next ten dump ins. Just to see how many times the dmen would retrieve the puck and move it without fumbling it, losing the battle to it, or just easing the pressure by chipping it around the net, hoping for the best.

Only 2 out of 10 times, did an Oilers dman retrieve the puck and immediately move it up the ice. Really didn’t matter who the dman was either.

There would be no reason to clear the net, chase the puck around, etc, if the D just made a quick move with their feet and the puck was moved up the ice quickly.

That’s what Karlsson does. But he’s not the only one who can help obviously.

That’s why I think they’ll settle for a Nick Jensen. It’s one of the most underrated plays dmen make. Jensen is one of those dmen who creates his own space when retrieving the puck down low or in the corners, and moves it up the ice quickly. Just a little misdirection and quickness. Kulak and Bouchard are the worst at it but really, nobody’s very good at it.

If you have dmen who can do this, half the battles never even take place. Out of all the dmen available, Jensen is the best at this. Ghost and Chychrun aren’t bad at it. Gavrikov can’t do it at all. Schenn is actually better than you would think at it. To be fair, it does always seem to be his partner who’s chasing down pucks in the corners though.

It’s one of the least talked about things a dman does that coaches and managers appreciate much more than fans and the media.

 

[CupofOil]

This could very well be accurate.

When the Wings were still trying to win, there were many deadlines where he would say these two things.....

1) We kicked the tires on a few guys

and

2) We tried to make moves, but the prices were just too high

To be followed by acquiring a less sexy piece that no one besides maybe him, was excited about and generally didn't do well.


I think he is really done with regards to accessing what a team needs as Karlsson never really made sense when the Oilers have other issues that need fixing.



You realize he could get hurt at any moment and is still making a boatload of money in tight cap times? Any trade sees the Sharks having to retain much more than the 20% they want to, as virtually none of the contenders have anything close to enough space for even half his cap hit, and none of the teams with space would trade for him as most are rebuilding teams.

Karlsson actually makes a lot of sense from the Oilers. Their biggest issue right now is Ceci playing top pairing RHD. Karlsson would fill that need and allow Nurse to be less reckless because he now feels like he has to do everything on a pairing with Ceci. Not to mention moving Ceci back to a 2nd pairing where he's perfectly suited for.

On the other hand, Ghostisbehere and Klingberg make absolutely no sense whatsoever. It makes me question if Holland is all there mentally or anybody around him for that matter.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Karlsson would help the Oilers transition game and he would get the puck up ice much quicker than any of the current oilers D. But he would not be able to clear the front of the net like a guy like Parayko would. That’s the Oilers biggest need, they have yet to recover from the loss of Larsson and Klefbomb.

If he's paired with Nurse, then Nurse takes care of clearing the front of the net and breaking up the cycle. , Karlsson takes care of retrieving the puck and moving it to the forwards. In theory, it should work well.

Losing Klefbom hurt the Oilers more than nearly anyone recognizes. They lost their #1 defenseman in the prime of his career.

Karlsson actually makes a lot of sense from the Oilers. Their biggest issue right now is Ceci playing top pairing RHD. Karlsson would fill that need and allow Nurse to be so reckless because he feels like he has to do everything on a pairing with Ceci. Not to mention moving Ceci back to a 2nd pairing where he's perfectly suited for.

On the other hand, Ghostisbehere and Klingberg make absolutely no sense whatsoever. It makes me question if Holland is all there mentally or anybody around him for that matter.

Agreed. I don't like the Ghost and Klingberg discussions at all. Hopefully, if Kenny moves for them, its only if no other teams are interested, and we get them for a mid round pick, but I don't like the thought of bringing in either Ghost or Klingberg to fill a job that they want Erik Karlsson to fill. Talk about underwhelming, ha ha.

 

[ManofSteel55]

No team needs someone to clear the front of the net, this isn't 2002. This attitude is what caused the worst defenseman in NHL, Gudbranson, to get paid 4mil a year.


Know what's a better way to keep your netfront clear? Having the best transition defenseman in NHL, Erik Karlsson. Doesn't just clear the netfront, clears the entire defensive zone.

It isn't as important as 2002, but if your defensemen can't handle grinders and power forwards in front of the net, your defense is going to have problems. Breaking the cycle is more important though.

 

[LTIR]

No team needs someone to clear the front of the net, this isn't 2002. This attitude is what caused the worst defenseman in NHL, Gudbranson, to get paid 4mil a year.


Know what's a better way to keep your netfront clear? Having the best transition defenseman in NHL, Erik Karlsson. Doesn't just clear the netfront, clears the entire defensive zone.

Hate to be on the same side as seanmoneyhan in an argument but Oilers biggest need is not another puck mover but someone one the top pairing who is tough to play against. It's not just clearing the front of the net but more about breaking cycles, hits etc against top competition...

Will gladly take EK though if money can be worked out.

 

[Cootsfanclub]

People here severely underrating Ghost. He’s much better defensively than he’s given credit for.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Crap. I really want to see EK and McDavid on the same team.

 

[LTIR]

People here severely underrating Ghost. He’s much better defensively than he’s given credit for.

Not sure where he would fit on the team though. Is he RD?

Barrie has been good at both ends of ice and seems to be glue guy in the locker room buddies with everyone. Ceci is the best overall RHD playing the tougher minutes. Bouchard supposedly the future and good advanced stats. Desharnais hasn't been a minus player in any NHL game and exceeding expectations.

Unless Klingberg or Gots are good enough to take top pairing RD spot from Ceci bumping Bouchard and Desharnais to pressbox, there really is no room.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Hate to be on the same side as seanmoneyhan in an argument but Oilers biggest need is not another puck mover but someone one the top pairing who is tough to play against. It's not just clearing the front of the net but more about breaking cycles, hits etc against top competition...

Will gladly take EK though if money can be worked out.

Yup, agree. Feel the Oilers need both upgrade player types to become an elite d-corp - a high skilled puck mover and big veteran two way defender with goal suppression, shut down ability. The Oil highest priority is a 1RD to help move Ceci down to more realistic competition and minutes but also to stabilize Nurse's game.

A prime years (not necessarily current form) Colton Parayko who can play 22-24 minutes against elites alongside and who would have a stabilizer effect to Nurse's game would present a formidable, plus sized, strong skating two-way defending pair to match up against top opposition including PK and close-out situations. I think those two would really complement one another well.

Karlsson is the super elite dynamic offenseman option who can drive EV scoring which is where he really excels beyond Barrie along with much better skating. Super elite processor with next level distributor and transporter skills would help this Oil team reduce own zone time and chaos and add to its wicked quick strike capabilities with the super elite forwards.

Both have had injury issues. Both have questions. Question whether Parayko's game is trending down since the back injury or tied to a team sinking into retool. Karlsson's having a season for the ages delivering on his big ticket contract after uninspiring years where his contract couldn't be given away.

The Oil need any big money defender acquisition to deliver 3-4 years of top pair, peak performance production. These are 1A and 1B d-men who address the Oilers highest area of need - to construct a greatly improved defense corp that stack up with elite teams.

Oil likely have one shot to invest big trade collateral for a top line defender. Probably low probability it gets done this trade deadline with all factors involved but the team's needs include areas of strength of both Parayko and Karlsson. Probably tilt a bit toward Karlsson with more unknowns about the state of Parayko's game and health.

 

[ElPrimeTime]

EK (20% retention) and Matt Benning for Barrie, Ceci, Yamo, 2023 1st and 2024 2nd

 

[UrbanImpact]

Friedman today said the Oilers might not even trade Puljujarvi anymore for cap space because both KAne and Holloway are hurt.

 

[North Cole]

Maybe Grier and Holland should negotiate with eachother versus using the media.

And if all the GMs did this we would have no trade boards

 

[Perfect_Drug]

I'm kinda disappointed the Oilers aren't going gung-ho all-in on Karlsson, especially now that there's confirmation that he waived his NMC to come to Edmonton.


When is the next time the Oilers will get a Norris frontrunner?

 

[UrbanImpact]

EK (20% retention) and Matt Benning for Barrie, Ceci, Yamo, 2023 1st and 2024 2nd

So Zaitsev's 5ish mil cost a 2nd and 4th

but You want the Sharks to retain 9mil, and add Barrie's contract just for pretty much a 1st?

Dream on.

 

[Navx94]

So Zaitsev's 5ish mil cost a 2nd and 4th

but You want the Sharks to retain 9mil, and add Barrie's contract just for pretty much a 1st?

Dream on.

You could easily get a 2nd for Barrie the way he’s been playing.

 

[Seachd]

So Zaitsev's 5ish mil cost a 2nd and 4th

but You want the Sharks to retain 9mil, and add Barrie's contract just for pretty much a 1st?

Dream on.

Regardless of the value of that proposal, Barrie should be easy for San Jose to flip if they wanted to.

 

[UrbanImpact]

You could easily get a 2nd for Barrie the way he’s been playing.

Then Oilers should do that, I doubt Sharks want to be eating 9 mil for Karlsson and 4.5 for Barrie next year just for the pleasure of a 1st round pick.

 

[ElPrimeTime]

So Zaitsev's 5ish mil cost a 2nd and 4th

but You want the Sharks to retain 9mil, and add Barrie's contract just for pretty much a 1st?

Dream on.

Barrie and Zaitsev are not even in the same conversation. Sharks use Barrie this year and flip him next year when he's a pending UFA for a pretty good return with some retention. Oilers could add another prospect to it as well. But all three players I included have value.

The retention portion was based on the report that the Sharks are willing to retain 20%. Ceci and Benning were added to balance the salary in and out.

 

[T-Funk]

And if all the GMs did this we would have no trade boards

A good point. One could also just leak "Team X is in talks regarding player Q from Team Z" and we would still have tons of panic and speculation. Don't need to get super specific and have the fans ready with pitchforks for their GM if the fake leaked deal doesn't happen.