Post-Game Talk: Oilers Lose 2-0

[Gret99zky]

Petition to have KLOWE fired and the puppets will follow.

I don't know how things are done in Toronto, but here in Edmonton we petition by filling the building every night, buying up all the merchandise, and openly displaying never-ending patience and hope for the future.

But enough of this negativity.

Let's talk about 1984.

 

[Replacement*]

yak is my guy but he was solely responsible for the first goal today.

Purcell passed the puck directly back into his own slot in the sequence(from the halfboards)

This resulted in the turnover that immediately led to the goal

This being the type of veteran experience we recruited this offseason.

Yaks error earlier in the shift was failing to get it out of his zone which happens 30 times in a game. Purcells error is inexplicable and indefensible.

 

[McOvechking]

It's time to trade the ****ing farm for a #1C and let Nuge play 2nd line center for his career. I wouldn't be opposed to something like Eberle + Klefbom + 1st for E. Staal

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

He's basing it on his love for Sam Gagner and embarrassment that Arco took his spot on the roster.

Or just the fact he's carried by Hall.

But hey, what's more AHLers in the lineup. That seems to work out well for us, doesn't it?

 

[Tarus]

I don't know how things are done in Toronto, but here in Edmonton we petition by filling the building every night, buying up all the merchandise, and openly displaying never-ending patience and hope for the future.

But enough of this negativity.

Let's talk about 1984.

1984?

Standing ovation for Peter Pocklington like 1998 never happened!

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Can't say a negative thing about the kid or I'm accused of pitchforks and knives.

I don't want him going anywhere. I want him to succeed. He's a good hockey player. But he's not a star, and me suggesting he wont be one is not getting the knives out.

Well saying that he won't get 55 points when he topped that last year is every bit as ignorant as it is negative.

Again I'm not sure how many times this must be stated for you to either grasp it or at the very least acknowledge that not every player's development path is the same.

He is a 1st overall pick, however what does that do for him in terms of physical maturity? What does that do for him when he's playing against opposing players? He gets no slack from you because of his draft position, meanwhile other players that are among the very best in the league at the same age couldn't hold a candle to RNH currently. So since he is a 1st overall pick he must not have the abilities to get to the level of a Sedin, Giroux or a Datsyuk in his prime. Talk about a weak stance. Meanwhile bringing Gagner up again, how is he doing in relation to Arcobello? To Draisaitl for that matter? Yet you have been *****ing this whole offseason about how we screwed the pooch in moving him and that Arco is garbage and that Draisaitl isn't ready, etc.

Imagine how bad we'd be with Gagner in place of any of RNH, Arcobello or Draisaitl. While Leon may still go back to juniors, I'd still take his defensive awareness over anything that Gagner brings outside of shootouts. Yet this is a guy that you have been championing as a legit 2C while putting down every other center on the team not named Gordon.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Purcell passed the puck directly back into his own slot in the sequence(from the halfboards)

This resulted in the turnover that immediately led to the goal

This being the type of veteran experience we recruited this offseason.

Yaks error earlier in the shift was failing to get it out of his zone which happens 30 times in a game. Purcells error is inexplicable and indefensible.

Both players wore the goat horns on that one IMO.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Both players wore the goat horns on that one IMO.

Don't forget Ference icing the puck when he had a clear lane to simply chip it out.

 

[Replacement*]

It was his first game back from injury
Give him a bit of slack before jumping all over him

We don't even know what the injury was. He's looked pretty ineffective. I thought he looked better in preseason. Nuge is part of the problem and the team needs him to ramp up his game.

Also one wonders if getting clocked by Hamhuis in the fight was actually the injury in question. Being how tight lipped Oilers have been it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Replacement*]

Both players wore the goat horns on that one IMO.

Purcell is 29 yrs old and was recruited here to be a solid sensible veteran.

Who passed the puck from the halfboards to his own goal mouth thus turning the puck over because nobody would expect that.

Purcell also over pursued covering somebody the D already took. Curiously both Purcell and the D if they have any peripheral vision whatsoever could see Vrbata skating the other way behind the net. Who do they think was covering him.

One guy takes each and theres no goal on the play.

Purcell not only makes a doofus pass in front of his net, then he gets caught running around.

 

[Spawn]

Well saying that he won't get 55 points when he topped that last year is every bit as ignorant as it is negative.

Again I'm not sure how many times this must be stated for you to either grasp it or at the very least acknowledge that not every player's development path is the same.

He is a 1st overall pick, however what does that do for him in terms of physical maturity? What does that do for him when he's playing against opposing players? He gets no slack from you because of his draft position, meanwhile other players that are among the very best in the league at the same age couldn't hold a candle to RNH currently. So since he is a 1st overall pick he must not have the abilities to get to the level of a Sedin, Giroux or a Datsyuk in his prime. Talk about a weak stance. Meanwhile bringing Gagner up again, how is he doing in relation to Arcobello? To Draisaitl for that matter? Yet you have been *****ing this whole offseason about how we screwed the pooch in moving him and that Arco is garbage and that Draisaitl isn't ready, etc.

Imagine how bad we'd be with Gagner in place of any of RNH, Arcobello or Draisaitl. While Leon may still go back to juniors, I'd still take his defensive awareness over anything that Gagner brings outside of shootouts. Yet this is a guy that you have been championing as a legit 2C while putting down every other center on the team not named Gordon.

Not sure why you keep bringing up Sam Gagner. This discussion is about RNH. Just has you coming across as still being bitter about a player you've hated for the last number of years. He's irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

The 55 point comment was in reference to his season last year. It's an arbitrary number. My point was that I don't think he's ever going to be more than the player he was last year. Swap it to 60 points for all I care. The number doesn''t matter. What matters is that we've got a player entering his 4th season in the NHL who is not a better player today now, than he was on day 1.

 

[Replacement*]

This won't be a popular post.

Lots of questions in the thread and others about what is wrong with certain players namely Eberle and Nuge.

In short these guys don't have the physicality for pro hockey. Both of these guys have received thunderous hits and have been just rocked out there multiple times. I think with either player they didn't anticipate how much of an impact that would be. Its easier in junior to think that you will rise to the top and almost assume that based on skill. But NHL selects players that can withstand the punishment and not only receive but dole out the physical game.

To this end I see Hall and Yak as much different players and that are much more suited for NHL play. Yak is turning into a physical beast. Surprised theres not more comments on this. Heres a guy with the best shot on the team who can also win physical battles and drill guys into the boards. You gotta love what that's going to bring on the forecheck.

To a latter point Arco has played well but he's getting thrown around like a rag doll out there. Theres been plays this year where I was surprised he's getting up. Arco is going to be black and blue by the dozen game mark. Around the time his game will start tailing off.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

This won't be a popular post.

Lots of questions in the thread and others about what is wrong with certain players namely Eberle and Nuge.

In short these guys don't have the physicality for pro hockey. Both of these guys have received thunderous hits and have been just rocked out there multiple times. I think with either player they didn't anticipate how much of an impact that would be. Its easier in junior to think that you will rise to the top and almost assume that based on skill. But NHL selects players that can withstand the punishment and not only receive but dole out the physical game.

To this end I see Hall and Yak as much different players and that are much more suited for NHL play. Yak is turning into a physical beast. Surprised theres not more comments on this. Heres a guy with the best shot on the team who can also win physical battles and drill guys into the boards. You gotta love what that's going to bring on the forecheck.

To a latter point Arco has played well but he's getting thrown around like a rag doll out there. Theres been plays this year where I was surprised he's getting up. Arco is going to be black and blue by the dozen game mark. Around the time his game will start tailing off.

Nuge still seems to be growing into his body and getting used to added weight. There is hope for him to change his physicality, Eberle though I completely agree, not much change will happen.

I agree with Arco, but I love how he will keep getting up. If half our guys put out his effort man we would be good. Put Arcobello in a bigger frame damn we would have a good player, sadly he isn't big.

 

[molsonmuscle360]

This won't be a popular post.

Lots of questions in the thread and others about what is wrong with certain players namely Eberle and Nuge.

In short these guys don't have the physicality for pro hockey. Both of these guys have received thunderous hits and have been just rocked out there multiple times. I think with either player they didn't anticipate how much of an impact that would be. Its easier in junior to think that you will rise to the top and almost assume that based on skill. But NHL selects players that can withstand the punishment and not only receive but dole out the physical game.

To this end I see Hall and Yak as much different players and that are much more suited for NHL play. Yak is turning into a physical beast. Surprised theres not more comments on this. Heres a guy with the best shot on the team who can also win physical battles and drill guys into the boards. You gotta love what that's going to bring on the forecheck.

To a latter point Arco has played well but he's getting thrown around like a rag doll out there. Theres been plays this year where I was surprised he's getting up. Arco is going to be black and blue by the dozen game mark. Around the time his game will start tailing off.

People need to stop thinking that these kids are developed by 22 years old. The Sedins were scrawny little nothings at that point too. Some guys develop quick, others take years. Nuge will be a great player IMO, just not until his later 20's. Eberle, I dunno about to be honest. He has a lot of the tools, he just needs to start giving a damn.

 

[Replacement*]

People need to stop thinking that these kids are developed by 22 years old. The Sedins were scrawny little nothings at that point too. Some guys develop quick, others take years. Nuge will be a great player IMO, just not until his later 20's. Eberle, I dunno about to be honest. He has a lot of the tools, he just needs to start giving a damn.

I'll pull out a gross generalization here. Theres a difference between a good ol Western Canadian raised kid being a scrawny kid and a Swedish player being one.

Especially in WC we've taken pride in developing physically strong hockey players. Kind of a heritage. Its unfortunate we got a couple that are scrawny to begin with and with Eberle this looking to be ongoing.

I could still see Nuge capturing somewhat of a Beliveau type game which is paying him an ultimate compliment. But he has to desire getting to that point. He has to dominate. At this point he's not close to that.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

People need to stop thinking that these kids are developed by 22 years old. The Sedins were scrawny little nothings at that point too. Some guys develop quick, others take years. Nuge will be a great player IMO, just not until his later 20's. Eberle, I dunno about to be honest. He has a lot of the tools, he just needs to start giving a damn.

I fully believe Draisaitl will take his top line spot in a year or two. He is better suited to be a top line guy in this conference. He has the size, the passing and the puck possession skills. Just needs to work on his skating

 

[Replacement*]

Nuge still seems to be growing into his body and getting used to added weight. There is hope for him to change his physicality, Eberle though I completely agree, not much change will happen.

I agree with Arco, but I love how he will keep getting up. If half our guys put out his effort man we would be good. Put Arcobello in a bigger frame damn we would have a good player, sadly he isn't big.

If Arco could play this well at this level for most of a season he would make a liar out of me, and I wouldn't mind. I just don't see that his body will endure. The hits do slow you down, make you more tentative, with lots of the latter being unconscious. Getting hammered just changes what areas you are comfortable hanging around in.

Everybody always brings up MSL but in that player its a case of somebody that is impervious to pain. Absolutely willing to ignore it. Which is what makes MSL a champion.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

If Arco could play this well at this level for most of a season he would make a liar out of me, and I wouldn't mind. I just don't see that his body will endure. The hits do slow you down, make you more tentative, with lots of the latter being unconscious. Getting hammered just changes what areas you are comfortable hanging around in.

Everybody always brings up MSL but in that player its a case of somebody that is impervious to pain. Absolutely willing to ignore it. Which is what makes MSL a champion.

Arcobello could become a MSL it's all about drive and if his body can withstand it. This year decides his future Imo.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Purcell is 29 yrs old and was recruited here to be a solid sensible veteran.

Who passed the puck from the halfboards to his own goal mouth thus turning the puck over because nobody would expect that.

Purcell also over pursued covering somebody the D already took. Curiously both Purcell and the D if they have any peripheral vision whatsoever could see Vrbata skating the other way behind the net. Who do they think was covering him.

One guy takes each and theres no goal on the play.

Purcell not only makes a doofus pass in front of his net, then he gets caught running around.

Yak gets the puck out the GA doesn't happen. I realize that Yak is a favorite of yours and he has been very good this season in relation to last season, but just because Purcell made a piss poor play doesn't get Yak off the hook.

Not sure why you keep bringing up Sam Gagner. This discussion is about RNH. Just has you coming across as still being bitter about a player you've hated for the last number of years. He's irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

The 55 point comment was in reference to his season last year. It's an arbitrary number. My point was that I don't think he's ever going to be more than the player he was last year. Swap it to 60 points for all I care. The number doesn''t matter. What matters is that we've got a player entering his 4th season in the NHL who is not a better player today now, than he was on day 1.

He's not at all irrelevant since you and others kept saying "give him some time" yet RNH is what he is, hypocrisy at its best. If RNH is the same player after 7 years then fill your boots.

I'd say that he is better in a number of areas, that said offensively he is at best a wash at this point. Where I have hope is that he is stronger and showing improvement in other areas while Gagner never improved in any facet of his game to the point of it being able to offset his weaknesses.

55 points, 60 points, whatever works, I have little doubt that he tops those numbers and likely will do so this year if he stays healthy.

This won't be a popular post.

Lots of questions in the thread and others about what is wrong with certain players namely Eberle and Nuge.

In short these guys don't have the physicality for pro hockey. Both of these guys have received thunderous hits and have been just rocked out there multiple times. I think with either player they didn't anticipate how much of an impact that would be. Its easier in junior to think that you will rise to the top and almost assume that based on skill. But NHL selects players that can withstand the punishment and not only receive but dole out the physical game.

To this end I see Hall and Yak as much different players and that are much more suited for NHL play. Yak is turning into a physical beast. Surprised theres not more comments on this. Heres a guy with the best shot on the team who can also win physical battles and drill guys into the boards. You gotta love what that's going to bring on the forecheck.

To a latter point Arco has played well but he's getting thrown around like a rag doll out there. Theres been plays this year where I was surprised he's getting up. Arco is going to be black and blue by the dozen game mark. Around the time his game will start tailing off.

The irony is so thick in this post seeing as you've defended Gagner as if he was a family member for eons. Gagner is weaker than both players yet he was your fave.

 

[McOvechking]

I fully believe Draisaitl will take his top line spot in a year or two. He is better suited to be a top line guy in this conference. He has the size, the passing and the puck possession skills. Just needs to work on his skating

He's better than the Nuge already if you ask me.

 

[Klimando Kostani]

Why does Dallas Eakins still have a job?

Fire him, bump Ramsey to coach and have Todd Nelson move up to be the under study.

Or have Joey ****ing Moss be the coach because literally anyone could make more educated and understandable decisions than Eakins.

 

[nabob]

Or just the fact he's carried by Hall.

But hey, what's more AHLers in the lineup. That seems to work out well for us, doesn't it?

Don't think Hall is winning the faceoffs or playing the solid 2 way game for him.

Would I like to have someone better than Arco in that spot. Yes. Is Arco doing better than Gagner did. Yes. Is Arco the reason why the Oilers are making games. No. Would SS being in the lineup instead of him make the team better. No.

If Arco is an AHLer what does that make SS?

I really wanted Legwand to be our #2C on a 2 year deal. Unfortunately MacT blew a good chunk off his offseason cash on Nikitin this year and Ferance the year before. Neither guy deserves to be anything more than a #7 guy at this point based off their play.

 

[Burnoutboi]

Did anyone see the brawl in the stands? There was two fights right underneath us, one guy in a Kassian jersey got tossed down a couple rows then got booted. He made sure to give the crowd double middles before he was escorted out.

I did. Drunken idiots.

My favorite part of being at last nights game was that I couldn't see Eakins from my seat.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Don't think Hall is winning the faceoffs or playing the solid 2 way game for him.

Would I like to have someone better than Arco in that spot. Yes. Is Arco doing better than Gagner did. Yes. Is Arco the reason why the Oilers are making games. No. Would SS being in the lineup instead of him make the team better. No.

If Arco is an AHLer what does that make SS?

I really wanted Legwand to be our #2C on a 2 year deal. Unfortunately MacT blew a good chunk off his offseason cash on Nikitin this year and Ferance the year before. Neither guy deserves to be anything more than a #7 guy at this point based off their play.

As a whole the team is worse. But you know we got rid of Sam so the team should be better right? It isn't.

Oh we got rid of Horcoff so the team should be better. It isn't.

This organization is completely stupid for trading away centers and replacing them with:

a) Nothing
b) Rookies
c) AHL callups.

A trained monkey would look fine centering Hall. And yet the fourth line created more chances than that top line last night. That's pretty sad on all accounts.

If MacT did his job Arco wouldn't be anywhere near this team. But hey let's give him credit because he's helping the team win.

 

[rboomercat90]

It's frustrating because MacT is EXACTLY the same as Tambo. Scared to take a risk. Tambo would have made the Perron deal easy because it was a clear win.

And I agree fire everyone at this point. I know Katz doesn't mind it now but hows he going to feel about it next year when he has a new arena and no one in it? I know a few business owners who had season tickets and got rid of them because of the toxic environment. I'm sure next year if this keeps up, alot more will follow suit. He also has the sinking Canadian dollar to worry about so when the games stop selling out it could start costing him money.

Katz DESERVES to start losing money on this team for the way he's allowed it to be run during his tenure as owner. It'll be interesting to see how this organization reacts to it. Will he wise up and start running it professionally if that happens or will he turn on the fans? I sure hope there aren't any loopholes in that location agreement.