Oscar Lindberg
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Folin from Min could be a good fit. Min has really bad forward depth.
Minnesota could be a fit, Folin wouldn't be the player coming back though. He's waivers eligible according to GeneralFanager
Folin from Min could be a good fit. Min has really bad forward depth.
Is that Nuke or Honka or Nuke & Honka?
Nuke on his own would have to be attached to a MASSIVE freakin' plus to get MZA.
How did that "no instant gratification" work out when you wanted to trade half the team for Hertl? That surely would have helped us tremendously if management followed your "outside the box" thinking.
If we had listened to your retool on that one (and many others) the only thing we would have been 1-2 years away from is the first time in NHL history a professional team being relegated to a lower league due to sucking.
The day bern stops his proposals is the day I quit this place for good.
Exactly. No thought is ever given to if the slew of prospects acquired will develop, he just assumes they will.
The most hilarious is the AHL-level state of our defense when he's done with his barrage of unrealistic trades. Which he attempts to justify by stating they will be okay after some "growing pains."
The ironic part is that he always will respond with "disagree" and then chastise you for not being willing to "think outside the box". In the end, he has been proven wrong more often than not.
Remember when he wanted to give up half the team for Hertl? The kid who was a guaranteed 50 goal scorer and offering up Stepan and whoever else for this kid was in the best interest of the Rangers in the long run? The kid that has yet to score 50 goals over 2.5 NHL seasons or even hit 50 points in a single season.
This is one of multiple times where in the long term, Berns proposals would have left us fielding teams with AHL level talent because he wanted to trade all of our young talent for some random player that never pans out the way he expected.
nice to see my quotes are back on they obviously weren't working last coupla posts"disagree"
and then chastise you for not being willing to "think outside the box".
How did that "no instant gratification" work out when you wanted to trade half the team for Hertl? That surely would have helped us tremendously if management followed your "outside the box" thinking.
If we had listened to your retool on that one (and many others) the only thing we would have been 1-2 years away from is the first time in NHL history a professional team being relegated to a lower league due to sucking.
Here it is. Bernmeisters "outside the box thinking" from 2013. Just to give some perspective when he says his plans would allow us to compete in 1-2 years max.
What about the proposal that included Staal + Stepan + Klein for Hertl.
That's no. 1 center right there. Unless there are only 6 teams in the league, of course.
22nd among forwards in P/60 at ES. Not among centers, among forwards. But sure, trade him because he has a NTC next year.
But he's plateaued! He must be traded before the NTC kicks in! Preferably for a real top line C to form a mega 1st line of behemoths with world beater Kreider, who is 10 months younger than Stepan but isn't close to his potential plateau and will obviously develop into a 35/35 beast! Because otherwise we = Canadiens!
Don't really think Hertl has that top end offensive potential, but he's a good all around player. Don't think he's worth trading for though really unless you get a steal of a deal
That cuts deep, Bern.
not to imply anything vs everybody else, but it is the posts by
BBKers
bluenote 13
Crease
Dragoon
Eco's Bones
RangerBoy
Savant
and Tawnos
that make this worthwhile
even having to endure certain detractors repeatedly while not verbally tearing them a new one
and fear not
bernmeister is a stand up guy, and admits when he is wrong
WHEN THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS, NOT WHEN DETRACTORS SAY SO
and otherwise I give as good as I get and then some.
I wonder if the team will trade Jensen for another prospect who is waivers exempt...
Would prefer them to move him for a RHD prospect. Someone I could see them liking is Trevor Carrick of the Hurricanes. Jensen can slot onto Carolina's fourth line pretty easily.
not to imply anything vs everybody else, but it is the posts by
BBKers
bluenote 13
Crease
Dragoon
Eco's Bones
RangerBoy
Savant
and Tawnos
that make this worthwhile
even having to endure certain detractors repeatedly while not verbally tearing them a new one
and fear not
bernmeister is a stand up guy, and admits when he is wrong
WHEN THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS, NOT WHEN DETRACTORS SAY SO
and otherwise I give as good as I get and then some.
this scenario is not only not realistic, it's plain dumb and ridiculous. NYR gets trouba to flip him for reinhart ?? and schiefle??
NEXT TIME PLS READ
what I said was
consider, pls
everybody wants Schiefle
the time to deal for Scheifle is not now, but earlier when MAYBE there was a possibility of his availability
the point is Reinhart is conceivable now, less likely later
these players are not getting traded and the rangers would never EVER make a move for a stud d-man to flip him for another center and have steps zibby hayes jooris lindberg and reinhart at one time. the EA controller has corrupted your brain. not to mention you are squandering what 3-4 years before reinhart develops into a stud??
Fortunately, Gorton is too smart to listen to your close mindedness.
If there is a big enough gain, he will pull the trigger IMO
It's a good thing, Martha Stewart
Don't fear what you don't understand
let's just squander all those good years lundqvist has left cause goalies like him come around every draft..
No.
Hank is in net until he shows he can't cut it.
could be 2 years, 6 years we don't know exactly
we should BUILD to field the best possible team, as quickly as possible
Little moves and tweaks are not enough
If we do what you suggest, it is a continuation of the status quo
If we do what I suggest, it is likely to be relatively short before that much talent gels and we have an improved team
Learn from recent mistakes, continuing with standard operating procedure will yield maintained status quo, not SIGNIFICANT improvement, which is what we need
NYR is in a retool with a you injection. the turnaround on this team is 1-2 years max. Their top 9 is either protected or exempt from the EXP draft. this is the team going forward..Expect some changes on the defensive side this season most likely and i fully expect a trade for shatty or he will be signed as a UFA. this team is one or 2 players away from a serious threat and you want to decimate it.
The above is not enough.
Need to move vets Stepan, Nash and Klein maybe more
Stephan is a lot better then you are giving him credit for. Im just happy i didn't see brett pesce's name i guess that's an improvement
You are still closeminded about if Stepan is worth more to us as player or in trade
AGAIN STOP WITH THE INSTANT GRATIFICATION
this scenario is not only not realistic, it's plain dumb and ridiculous. NYR gets trouba to flip him for reinhart ?? and schiefle??
NEXT TIME PLS READ
what I said was
consider, pls
everybody wants Schiefle
the time to deal for Scheifle is not now, but earlier when MAYBE there was a possibility of his availability
the point is Reinhart is conceivable now, less likely later
these players are not getting traded and the rangers would never EVER make a move for a stud d-man to flip him for another center and have steps zibby hayes jooris lindberg and reinhart at one time. the EA controller has corrupted your brain. not to mention you are squandering what 3-4 years before reinhart develops into a stud??
Fortunately, Gorton is too smart to listen to your close mindedness.
If there is a big enough gain, he will pull the trigger IMO
It's a good thing, Martha Stewart
Don't fear what you don't understand
let's just squander all those good years lundqvist has left cause goalies like him come around every draft..
No.
Hank is in net until he shows he can't cut it.
could be 2 years, 6 years we don't know exactly
we should BUILD to field the best possible team, as quickly as possible
Little moves and tweaks are not enough
If we do what you suggest, it is a continuation of the status quo
If we do what I suggest, it is likely to be relatively short before that much talent gels and we have an improved team
Learn from recent mistakes, continuing with standard operating procedure will yield maintained status quo, not SIGNIFICANT improvement, which is what we need
NYR is in a retool with a you injection. the turnaround on this team is 1-2 years max. Their top 9 is either protected or exempt from the EXP draft. this is the team going forward..Expect some changes on the defensive side this season most likely and i fully expect a trade for shatty or he will be signed as a UFA. this team is one or 2 players away from a serious threat and you want to decimate it.
The above is not enough.
Need to move vets Stepan, Nash and Klein maybe more
Stephan is a lot better then you are giving him credit for. Im just happy i didn't see brett pesce's name i guess that's an improvement
You are still closeminded about if Stepan is worth more to us as player or in trade
AGAIN STOP WITH THE INSTANT GRATIFICATION
Let's see where the Rangers are at the 20 game mark. I think by then you'll see if:
Pirri
Hayes
Vesey
Buchnevich
provide enough offense and (chants: Buuuuu) to displace one perhaps even both of
Nash
Zucc
I think there's enough offense there to facilitate a trade.
Then there's that everybody Zuccs bounds with gets thrown out of town. So yeah build a new little fellowship.If Pirri learns even a lick of defensive hockey, I could see him displacing Nash, forcing management to move Nash.
I WOULDN'T give Pirri a payday after that, but if we could provide 35-40 points, and Zucc can take the 1st line RW spot successfully, there wouldn't be a reason to keep a 31 year old Nash with 1.75 years left on his deal. Zucc I think will have much more longevity in his body. Small guys tend to have a lot of energy. Gerbe is also 29, short, energy type of player, good chance they could have other personable similarities, and gerbe doesn't look like he's falling out of the NHL any time soon...
And you never know, given all those similarities, he and Zucc might get along well--definitely need to factor in team chemistry. There's my "outside the box" thinking.
World Cup nice example of how Torts simply cannot control himself. Went from the totally unforced error of the anthem mess to now throwing Max Pacioretty under the bus after just the second pre-tournament game. Im guessing Babcock spent game one just scouting Torts.
Is it better to be on Bern's list of people that he likes or worse?
Again, if the Rangers are trying to really overhaul the team and restructure it, then sure pretty much anyone is available. If they're trying to build and compete and find ways to plug holes/bring in prospects and young players while shooting for the cup, then no they're probably not just going to be trading every player that approaches the age of 27.
It is pretty impossible to build a winning team if you're constantly churning your roster trying to sell at players peaks for other players you need to develop. The Rangers will never win a cup with that kind of churn and even if they're trying to do a real complete overhaul, they'll bring in players that they hope will be long term contributors, not guys you develop for 3-4 years and then trade again for another guy you can develop for 3-4 years...
IMO
Again, if the Rangers are trying to really overhaul the team and restructure it, then sure pretty much anyone is available.
they are plugging holes one or so at a time, not changing a quarter to a third overnight in one fell swoop, but cumulatively it is enough moves, IMO to equal overhaul.If they're trying to build and compete and find ways to plug holes/bring in prospects and young players while shooting for the cup, then no they're probably not just going to be trading every player that approaches the age of 27.
It is pretty impossible to build a winning team if you're constantly churning your roster trying to sell at players peaks for other players you need to develop. The Rangers will never win a cup with that kind of churn and even if they're trying to do a real complete overhaul, they'll bring in players that they hope will be long term contributors, not guys you develop for 3-4 years and then trade again for another guy you can develop for 3-4 years...
That cuts deep, Bern.