Speculation: Offseason Thread XVIII - Soon September & a new NYR member?

[BBKers]

PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT WITH NEW YORK RANGERS ORGANISATION 2016-2017 (46 - 47 depending on if Gropps contract slides)
NEW YORK RANGERS SQUAD(25)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr|Pos |Player| Caphit |Contract Status|Team 2015 |Drafted/Acquired |Age 2016
1| F | Brandon Pirri |$1,100,000 |RFA 2017 |Anaheim Ducks/NHL |R2 #59 Chicago Blackhawks (2009) - signed w/NYR as UFA |25
2| F | Jesper Fast(h) |$950.000 |RFA 2017 |New York Rangers/NHL |R6 #157 NYR (2010) |25
3| D | Dylan McIlrath |$800,000 |RFA 2017 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #10 NYR (2010) |24
4| F | Oscar Lindberg^ |$650,000 |RFA 2017 |New York Rangers/NHL |R2 #57 PHX (2010) - acquired unsigned through trade|25
5| F | Josh Jooris |$600,000 |RFA 2017 |Calgary Flames/NHL |Undrafted - signed w/NYR as UFA |26
6| F | Tanner Glass |$1,450,000 |UFA 2017 |New York Rangers/NHL |R7 #265 Florida Panthers (2003) - signed w/NYR as UFA |32
7| F | Nathan Gerbe |$600,000 |UFA 2017 |Carolina Hurricanes/NHL|Undrafted - signed w/NYR as UFA |26
8| F | J.T. Miller |$2.750.000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #15 NYR (2011) |23
9| F | Kevin Hayes |$2,600,000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #24 Chicago (2010)- signed w/NYR as UFA |24
10| F | Mika Zibanejad |$2,625,000 |RFA 2018 |Ottawa Senators/NHL |R1 #6 Ottawa Senators (2011) - acquired through trade |23
11| D | Brady Skjei (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R1 #28 NYR (2012) |22
12| F | Jimmy Vesey (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2018 |Harvard/NCAA |R3 #66 Nashville (2012)- signed w/NYR as UFA |23
13| D | Kevin Kline |$2,900,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R2 #37 Nashville Predators (2003) - acquired through trade|32
14| D | Nick Holden |$1,650,000 |UFA 2018 |Colorado Avalanche/NHL |Undrafted - acquired through trade |29
15| F | Michael Grabner |$1,600,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Islanders/NHL |R1 #14 Vancover Canucks (2006) - signed w/NYR as UFA |29
16| G | Anti Raanta |$1,000,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted - acquired through trade |27
17| F | Pavel Buchnevich (ELC)|$925,000* |RFA 2019 |St. Petersburg SKA/KHL |R3 #75 NYR (2013) |21
18| F | Rick Nash (NMC) |$7,800,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #1 overall Columbus Blue Jackets (2002) - acquired through trade|32
19| D | Ryan McDonagh |$4,700,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #12 Montreal (2007) - acquired unsigned through trade|27
20| F | Mats Zuccarello (NTC) |$4,500,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |29
21| D | Dan Girardi (NMC => NTC)|$5,500,000 |UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |32
22| F | Chris Kreider |$4,625,000 |UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #19 NYR (2009) |25
23| G | Henrik Lundqvist (NMC)|$8,500,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R7 #208 NYR (2000) |34
24| F | Derek Stepan (NMC => NTC)|$6,500,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R2 #51 NYR (2008) |26
25| D | Marc Staal (NMC => NTC)|$5,750,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #12 NYR (2005) |29[/table]

TOTALS
SALARY CAP: $73,000,000
CAP PAYROLL: $71,925,000
LTIR: $650,000 (injured players salary - Lindberg - can be deducted once season starts)
CAP SPACE (25-man roster - 16 FWDs, 7 D, 2 G): $1,075,000
^ - injured, operated on in offseason and placed on LTIR until November/December

AVERAGE AGE ~ 26.7 years

CONTRACTED BUT ASSIGNED TO AHL/ECHL/ELSEWHERE (21-22 depending on Ryan Gropps status)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos |Player| Caphit |Contract Status |Team 2015 |Drafted |Age 2016
26|D |Chris Summers |$600.000 |UFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R1 #29 Phoenix Coyotes (2006) |28
27|D |Matt Bodie |$600.000 |UFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |26
28|D |Tommy Hughes |$600,000 |RFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |24
29|F |Adam Chapie (ELC) |$800.000* |RFA 2017 |UMass/NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |25
30|D |Troy Donnay (ELC) |$716,667* |RFA 2017 |Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
31|G |MacKenzie Skapski (ELC)|$661,667* |RFA 2017 |Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL |R6 #170 NYR (2013) |22
32|D |Calle Andersson (ELC) |$661,667* |RFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R4 #119 NYR (2012) |22
33|G |Magnus Hellberg |$625,000 |RFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #38 Nashville (2011) |25
34|F |Marek Hrivik |$600,00 |RFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |25
35|F |Niklas Jensen |$600,000 |RFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R1 #29 Vancouver (2011) |23
36|D |Adam Clendening |$600.000 |RFA 2017 |Edmonton Oilers/NHL |R2 #36 Chicago Blackhawks (2011) |24
37|D |Michael Paliotta |$600.000 |RFA 2017 |Lake Eerie Monsters/AHL |R3 #61 Chicago Blackhawks (2011) |23
38|F |Chris Brown |$575,000 |RFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #36 Arizona (2009) |25
39|F |Adam Tambellini (ELC) |$803.333* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #65 NYR (2013) |22
40|F |Cristoval Nieves(ELC) |$755.000* |RFA 2018 |Michigan Wolverines/NCAA |R2 #59 NYR (2012) |22
41|F |Steven Fogarty (ELC) |$750.000* |RFA 2018 |Notre Dame Fighting Irish/NCAA |R3 #72 NYR (2011) |23
42|F |Malte Strömwall (ELC) |$742.500* |RFA 2018 |AIK/Allsvenskan |R7 #7198 Calgary(started w NYR) |23
43|D |John Gilmour(ELC) |$633.333* |RFA 2018 |Providence/NCAA |R2 #59 NYR (2012) |22
44|D |Ryan Graves (ELC) |$633.333* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R4 #110 NYR (2013) |21
45|F |Ryan Gropp (ELC-S?)¤ |$839.166* |RFA 2019 |Seattle/WHL |R2 #41 NYR (2015) |20
46|LW |Robin Kovacs (ELC) |$803.333* |RFA 2019 |AIK/Allsvenskan |R3 #62 NYR (2015) |20
47|G |Brandon Halvorsen (ELC)|$803.333* |RFA 2019 |Sault Ste. Marie/OHL |R2 #59 NYR (2014) |20
(48)|D |Sergey Zborovskiy (ELC-S?)¤|$734,166 |RFA 2019 |Regina Pats/WHL |R3 #79 NYR (2015) |19
(49)|LW/D|Ahti Oksanen @ |$??? |AHL deal |Boston University/NCAA |Undrafted |23
(50)|RW |Michael Joly @ |$?? |AHL deal |Cape Breton/QMJHL |Undrafted |21
(51)|C |Philip McRae @ |$?? |AHL deal |Bakersfield Condors/AHL |R2 #33 St Louis Blues (2008) |26[/table]

* - has additional bonus money in contract
ELC - denotes player on Entry Level Contract
NTC - denotes No Trade Clause in Contract
NMC - denotes No Movement Clause in Contract
¤ - contract can slide if he remains in juniors (Gropp & Zborovskiy)
@ - signed to an AHL deal with Hartford Wolfpack

PLAYERS STILL UNSIGNED BUT WITH RIGHTS RETAINED BY NYR (11)
[table="head;width=3800]Nr|Position |Player| Team| Height |Weight| Nationality |Shoots|DOB|Drafted
1|G |Igor Shesterkin |St. Petersburg SKA (KHL) |6' 1"| 187 | Russia |L|December 30, 1995 |R4 #118 NYR (2014)
2|D |Tyler Nanne ¤ |Ohio State/NCAA (did not play) |5' 10"|175 | USA |R|March 17, 1996 |R5 #142 NYR (2014)
3|C |Brad Morrison |Prince George/WHL |6' 0"| 160 | Canada |L|January 4, 1997 |R4 #113 NYR (2015)
4|RW |Daniel Bernhardt |London Knights/OHL |6' 3"| 191 | Sweden |L|April 11, 1996 |R4 #119 NYR (2015)
5|G |Adam Huska |Green Bay Gamblers/USHL |6' 3" |191 | Slovakia |L|May 12, 1997 |R7 #184 NYR (2015)
6|D |Sean Day |Mississauga Steelheads/OHL |6' 2" |229 | Belgium/Canada|L|January 9, 1998 |R3 #81 NYR (2016)
7|D |Tarmo Reunanen |TPS U20 (Finland) |6' 0" |180 | Finland |L|March 1, 1998 |R4 #98 NYR (2016)
8|LW/RW |Timothy Gettinger |Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds/OHL|6' 5" |201 | USA |R|April 14, 1998 |R5 #141 NYR (2016)
9|c |Gabriel Fontaine |Rouyn-Noranda Huskies/QMJHL |6' 1" |187 | Canada |L|April 30, 1997 |R6 #171 NYR (2016)
10|G |Tyler Wall |Leamington Flyers/GOJHL |6' 2" |190 | Canada |R|January 14, 1998 |R6 #174 NYR (2016)
11|C |Ty Ronning |Vancouver Giants/WHL |5' 9" |165 | Canada |R|October 20, 1997 |R7 #201 NYR (2016)
(12)|F |Klingberg, Carl |Free agent - rights retained |6' 3" |205 | Sweden |R|January 28, 1991 |R2 #34 Atlanta (2009)[/table]

¤ - injured

2017 DRAFT PICKS (6)

• 1st round NYR
• 3rd round NYR
• 4th round Florida
• 5th round NYR
• 6th round VAN
• 7th round NYR

• We lost our 2nd round pick to Carolina in the trade for Eric Staal
• We lost our 4th round pick to Colorado in the trade for Nick Holden
• We gained a 4th round pick from Arizona for Keith Yandle - condition was met when he signed a 7 year deal there
• We lost our 6th round pick to Nashville in the trade for Magnus Hellberg
• We gained a 6th round pick from Vancouver when we traded Emerson Etem

2018 DRAFT PICKS (7)

• 1st round NYR
• 2nd round Ottawa
• 2nd round NYR
• 3rd round NYR
• 4th round NYR
• 5th round NYR
• 6th round NYR

• We gained a 2nd round pick from Ottawa when we traded Derrick Brassard
• We then also lost our 7th round pick to Ottawa in the trade for Mika Zibanejad

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[Levitate]

I dunno you tell me

 

[BBKers]

I dunno you tell me

I do not know anything either. Mum is the new silent

 

[Synergy27]

OT, but genuinely curious. Why are new threads started when they are? Is there a computer sciencey reason for it?

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

OT, but genuinely curious. Why are new threads started when they are? Is there a computer sciencey reason for it?

Threads have to be shut down once,they hit 1000 posts in them.

 

[Zynbanejad]

OT, but genuinely curious. Why are new threads started when they are? Is there a computer sciencey reason for it?

Na it's just a forum thing to do to keep big threads going and on topic.

 

[Synergy27]

Threads have to be shut down once,they hit 1000 posts in them.

Yep, I'm just asking why. I find that the new thread makes it difficult to track conversations from the old thread. I assumed there was some underlying data management issue or something.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yep, I'm just asking why. I find that the new thread makes it difficult to track conversations from the old thread. I assumed there was some underlying data management issue or something.

I run my own forum on VB and I do the same. It's because threads are causing a lot of problems if they are too big. Loading time goes up and it just reduces the functionality of the forum.

 

[Lion Hound]

Can we get some advanced stats on the effectiveness of shutting a thread down at 1,000 posts?

 

[Avery16]

Yep, I'm just asking why. I find that the new thread makes it difficult to track conversations from the old thread. I assumed there was some underlying data management issue or something.

Uh, lets not pretend that many of those conversations were worth tracking...

 

[NYR2007]

I'll get it back on topic

Can't believe we let stralman go

We should have dealt Yandle at deadline

We never should have traded for Eric Staal

Andddddddd go

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

It's concerning to me that this front office thought the team had enough of a chance this past season to not move Yandle at the deadline and then add Staal in a "go for it" move.

I distinctly remember the Rangers playing some of their worst hockey of the year from Feb - Apr, yet it felt to me like the front office just ignored how inconsistent and downright bad at times the team's play was down the stretch.

 

[Avery16]

I'll get it back on topic

Can't believe we let stralman go

We should have dealt Yandle at deadline

We never should have traded for Eric Staal

Andddddddd go

I wish I knew how to embed a gif of someone walking away from a gas station exploding

 

[NYR2007]

It's concerning to me that this front office thought the team had enough of a chance this past season to not move Yandle at the deadline and then add Staal in a "go for it" move.

I distinctly remember the Rangers playing some of their worst hockey of the year from Feb - Apr, yet it felt to me like the front office just ignored how inconsistent and downright bad at times the team's play was down the stretch.

Also as the season went on the Rangers lost every big game they faced last season

 

[Mac n Gs]

Still think that trade could've worked well if we used EStaal as a LW to bump Kreider or Miller to be Hayes's winger. Trading Yandle when we were 3rd in the conference was never going to happen either.

Back to the real topic, we should have a new defenseman soon, and I'm really curious to see what deal Gorton can swing. There's a lot of promising young RHD that are NHL ready or on the cusp, but we'd have to give to get. Then you have the established RFAs like Trouba and Lindholm that would cost an arm and a leg.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Back to the real topic, we should have a new defenseman soon, and I'm really curious to see what deal Gorton can swing. There's a lot of promising young RHD that are NHL ready or on the cusp, but we'd have to give to get. Then you have the established RFAs like Trouba and Lindholm that would cost an arm and a leg.

Really don't want to give up what a Trouba/Lindholm would cost.

I'm hoping they are targeting someone like a Montour, a talented puck moving Dman caught up in a numbers game. Doubt there are many of those guys out there however, especially in a season such as this with the expansion draft looming.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It's concerning to me that this front office thought the team had enough of a chance this past season to not move Yandle at the deadline and then add Staal in a "go for it" move.

I distinctly remember the Rangers playing some of their worst hockey of the year from Feb - Apr, yet it felt to me like the front office just ignored how inconsistent and downright bad at times the team's play was down the stretch.

I don't disagree with the Staal trade but please do tell me when the last time that a team who was firmly entrenched in a playoff spot sold at the deadline?

I'll wait.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Really don't want to give up what a Trouba/Lindholm would cost.

I'm hoping they are targeting someone like a Montour, a talented puck moving Dman caught up in a numbers game. Doubt there are many of those guys out there however, especially in a season such as this with the expansion draft looming.

It all comes down to whether you want to base your immediate future on an established young talent or a young talent with potential. The former have proven to have NHL ability and will immediately improve us short and long term. The latter is built off outstanding play in a lesser quality league. Same goes for a guy like Honka or Jordan Schmaltz. They've proven everything they can at the AHL level, but they're unknowns at the NHL level. It's tough to view everything in the scope of the Brass-Zibanejad trade, but I think that's the direction Gorton prefers. He wants young players that are cost controlled, but are proven NHL players. This is obviously so much easier said than done.

 

[RGY]

I wouldnt call what Trouba wants as "cost-controlled"

I also dont see the value in trading Klein, only keeping him. Same goes for Zucc. Rob Peter to pay Paul.

Still dont understand the Pirri signing. Too many forwards before we signed him.

Team needs to get to camp and see what we got

 

[Savant]

I wouldnt call what Trouba wants as "cost-controlled"

I also dont see the value in trading Klein, only keeping him. Same goes for Zucc. Rob Peter to pay Paul.

Still dont understand the Pirri signing. Too many forwards before we signed him.

Team needs to get to camp and see what we got

Pirri only makes sense if Nash or Zuccarello is dealt for a dman. It doesn't make sense if it was to keep Vesey or Buchnevich in AHL and piss them off. If JV or PB get sent down without giving them a shot with the big club it drastically hurts their positioning for future KHL or NCAA FA moves (if they were promised spots, which lets be honest they probably were).

The non-rookies making less than Pirri are Fast, Lindberg, Gerbe and Jooris. We know AV loves Fast, so you would think it's those other three at risk, specifically the last two with OL on LTIR. I still think trade(s) are coming.

 

[BBKers]

Let´s get a bit radical and stay with the topic of this thread on this very last day of summer (I see it that way at least - September is explicitly an autumn month in the temperate zone; WC is played, NYR camp starts, prospect tourney in Traverse City, leaves change colors from green to a cavalcade of hues, change of the wardrobe takes place, aurora borealis returns and lights up the heavens, perhaps the first frost, trout & salmon begin to spawn, my glasses contents go from beer to whiskey...).

I can totally see the reasoning behind the trade of Brassard and the wanting of some of the senior, knowledgeable posters on HFNYR to move our leading scorer in Zucc (and Nash too of course, which goes without saying, esp. if the return is amicable) now for younger, cost controlled assets that peak in 3-5 years. If one were to follow this thesis about seriously retooling then what about looking into maybe our biggest prize asset?

Ryan McDonagh.

27 years old as per June 13. Three contract seasons left at very reasonable $4.7 M. Will be due for huge money in 2019 when he is 30 and signs for 7 or 8 years taking him to 37 or 38. That will be a toxic contract - if there ever was one. That decline might be the worst one yet (at least bang for the buck as the contract will likely be over $7M). We have been down this road before as well - and it never turns out the way management intends (talking Redden, the Twins, Boyle...).

Could we benefit from exploring this at least? I seriously do not know. But it is worth discussing IMO. Cashing in on him now could likely bring a MEGA return. I mean really huge. If it does not, then not interested at all. But some win now team might feel desperate enough to really help the NYR org. stockpile assets - for both now and later. Price of high quality D:s in the league are insane right now.

McDs injuries and drop off are also a bit concerning IMO. He does not have a no trade clause (Yes - I know that he is in his prime or at least should be + is team captain). Finding another amicable long-term solution on the left side via UFA/trades/whatever would also be easier than on the right one (too).

"Get younger. Get better."
"Last kick at the can with this group".

Flame away! Or come with some ideas of a realistic return for the "C" - for the sake of discussion - on this last day of summer.
Peace.

 

[Allan92]

Let´s get a bit radical and stay with the topic of this thread on this very last day of summer (I see it that way at least - September is explicitly an autumn month in the temperate zone; WC is played, NYR camp starts, prospect tourney in Traverse City, leaves change colors from green to a cavalcade of hues, change of the wardrobe takes place, aurora borealis returns and lights up the heavens, perhaps the first frost, trout & salmon begin to spawn, my glasses contents go from beer to whiskey...).

I can totally see the reasoning behind the trade of Brassard and the wanting of some of the senior, knowledgeable posters on HFNYR to move our leading scorer in Zucc (and Nash too of course, which goes without saying, esp. if the return is amicable) now for younger, cost controlled assets that peak in 3-5 years. If one were to follow this thesis about seriously retooling then what about looking into maybe our biggest prize asset?

Ryan McDonagh.

27 years old as per June 13. Three contract seasons left at very reasonable $4.7 M. Will be due for huge money in 2019 when he is 30 and signs for 7 or 8 years taking him to 37 or 38. That will be a toxic contract - if there ever was one. That decline might be the worst one yet (at least bang for the buck as the contract will likely be over $7M). We have been down this road before as well - and it never turns out the way management intends (talking Redden, the Twins, Boyle...).

Could we benefit from exploring this at least? I seriously do not know. But it is worth discussing IMO. Cashing in on him now could likely bring a MEGA return. I mean really huge. If it does not, then not interested at all. But some win now team might feel desperate enough to really help the NYR org. stockpile assets - for both now and later. Price of high quality D:s in the league are insane right now.

McDs injuries and drop off are also a bit concerning IMO. He does not have a no trade clause (Yes - I know that he is in his prime or at least should be + is team captain). Finding another amicable long-term solution on the left side via UFA/trades/whatever would also be easier than on the right one (too).

"Get younger. Get better."
"Last kick at the can with this group".

Flame away! Or come with some ideas of a realistic return for the "C" - for the sake of discussion - on this last day of summer.
Peace.

Obviously if this move were to be made it would be intended to pay dividends in 5 years or so, but moving McDonagh right now would be absolutely disastrous for our defense.

Our top pairing LHD would be Staal until Skjei is ready, which could take another year

 

[Deleted member 23124]

It's concerning to me that this front office thought the team had enough of a chance this past season to not move Yandle at the deadline and then add Staal in a "go for it" move.

I distinctly remember the Rangers playing some of their worst hockey of the year from Feb - Apr, yet it felt to me like the front office just ignored how inconsistent and downright bad at times the team's play was down the stretch.

The inconsistent and bad play wasn't just during the stretch....they'd been playing that way from the start of the season....they won a number of games they should have lost.

 

[Luger]

None of the newly signed depth players make any of the top 6 guys available. You don't replace Nash or MZA with Grabner or Pirri. If Gorton trades them, it will be for other considerations, not because he acquired scraps from other teams on the cheap.

 

[Ori]

Uh, lets not pretend that many of those conversations were worth tracking...

Why such an approach to it? I thought that was the whole point of debating something - you need to be positive and you can train actually to not get emotional involved even though you don`t necessary agree with someone.
It`s a good life lesson too - especially if you are dating someone, or is married with someone.