Speculation: Offseason Roster Building Thread 4 - All Your Blackhawks Are Belong To Us

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Their first and foremost job is trying to get ratings, which is why you see a lot of teams that are meh (Philly, Boston) or just flat out bad (Buffalo, Detroit) that have big fanbases littering the list of this, while teams that are improving but from small markets (Columbus, Us) and lacking a superstar are typically nowhere to be seen until they've been established as good teams for a while.

Its even more basic than that. Canes Country did a nice little article on it yesterday

Comcast owns NBC. Comcast Sports Net owns regional rights to 4 NHL teams

Philly - 17 games on NBC
Chicago - 17 games on NBC
Washington - 15 games on NBC
San Jose - 6 games on NBC

Outside of that, you have 4 franchises with large local followings you know will drive ratings

Pittsburgh - 16 games on NBC
Rangers - 14 games on NBC
Minnesota - 12 games on NBC
Detroit - 12 games on NBC

And that is why you have roughly half the league with 6 games or fewer on the main national broadcast.
 

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John and Tripp put so much work into having real insight into all the players and teams on both sides, rather than just reading the 'generic assessment' that seems to be passed from broadcast team to broadcast team.

I sometimes wonder if the teams (or the league) put together a crib sheet, and pass it to opposing broadcast teams. That would explain why they all say nearly the exact same things about all the players/team in general.

There's a big long media packet that the NHL puts together for the media with stats, streaks, milestones, history of games between the two teams, birthdays, season trends for each team, and all sorts of stuff, dozens of pages long. You used to be able to find it tucked away in some hidden place on NHL.com, don't know if you still can, I don't think it was ever really intended for pubic consumption. Been a few years since I looked for those, though.
 

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There's a big long media packet that the NHL puts together for the media with stats, streaks, milestones, history of games between the two teams, birthdays, season trends for each team, and all sorts of stuff, dozens of pages long. You used to be able to find it tucked away in some hidden place on NHL.com, don't know if you still can, I don't think it was ever really intended for pubic consumption. Been a few years since I looked for those, though.

I certainly hope not.
 

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Hi, could anyone of you tell me how you guys are playing under Peters from tactical point of view? I would really appreciate it. Thank you.
 

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Some of you who watch more than 12 games a year can give a better answer than I can, but I'll start.

Peters plays a very active moving game. Rarely are players standing put on the ice, especially on offense. We use defensemen often to activate the puck and move it directly up the ice, and all our defensemen need to be good skaters and passers to make it work. On the powerplay, we constantly do reversals to get zone entry. That is, a guy like Lindholm will skate down the ice for an apparent entry, only to stop on a dime, and pass it up to a streaking Terevainen who really enters the zone. It can catch the D flat-footed. It works surprisingly well given that we do it like on every PP. Sometimes we do 2 reversals and then an entry. They may have a different name. On the PK, we are pretty active at chasing the puck. We try not to give any space to the offense, but occasionally we get an odd man out right at the crease for a quick goal against. The biggest, most physical presence on the team is Jordan Staal. We aren't a team to use body-checks and physicality exclusively to knock the puck off of you. We tend to use positioning and stick-checks. We have a mobile and big defensive group for sure. However, they use their size more for their reach. Faulk is easily our most physical D-man, and he's also the shortest. Our goalies do a great job of not saving the puck. Last year I believe one goalie had a near league-worst SV% on high-danger shots, and the other goalie had really bad SV% on low-danger shots. We usually rely on out-skating other teams. A typical game will look like Canes outshooting opponents 30-22, being down 2-1 late in the game, and grinding down and getting to pucks more in the 3rd period. We sacrifice size for skating like 99% of the time. Our forward units are very mix and match. We have some skill, cerebral Euros and a few more straightforward get-the-puck-down-the-ice forwards like Staal and Nordstrom. Most forwards are pretty defensively responsible.

Smarter Canes fans please correct me where I'm wrong.
 

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Somewhere around here was a Sabres fan who did an incredible in depth analysis of the Canes puck movement and zone entries. If anyone could find where his post is, it explains a lot better than I could.
 

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Somewhere around here was a Sabres fan who did an incredible in depth analysis of the Canes puck movement and zone entries. If anyone could find where his post is, it explains a lot better than I could.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=134627653&postcount=135

A different forum, but I'll link it.

The original, qualitative one: https://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/24444-the-system/page-3#entry925600

After I counted and got some (crappy) video:
https://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/24444-the-system/page-4#entry956616
 

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Hey guys, Pens fan here with a question. Been following the Duchene thread for awhile and I believe, along with a few others, that Matt would be a great addition to for you guys.

Let's pretend that he goes for a dman+pick from you guys. You now have: Duchene, Staal, Rask, Kruger, Lundholm, Ryan, TT, and Jooris as your centers. Do you believe a center would come available in that case and if so, who and at what cost?

Was floating the idea of Rask, Lindholm, or TT to the Penguins in exchange for a top 6 wing.
 

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Hey guys, Pens fan here with a question. Been following the Duchene thread for awhile and I believe, along with a few others, that Matt would be a great addition to for you guys.

Let's pretend that he goes for a dman+pick from you guys. You now have: Duchene, Staal, Rask, Kruger, Lundholm, Ryan, TT, and Jooris as your centers. Do you believe a center would come available in that case and if so, who and at what cost?

Was floating the idea of Rask, Lindholm, or TT to the Penguins in exchange for a top 6 wing.

In that case I'd assume we quickly move on from Ryan as 3C, and consider our options with Rask going forward. I'd give a lot of thought to whether he could fetch a winger who would be a better fit for our roster.
 

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Hey guys, Pens fan here with a question. Been following the Duchene thread for awhile and I believe, along with a few others, that Matt would be a great addition to for you guys.

Let's pretend that he goes for a dman+pick from you guys. You now have: Duchene, Staal, Rask, Kruger, Lundholm, Ryan, TT, and Jooris as your centers. Do you believe a center would come available in that case and if so, who and at what cost?

Was floating the idea of Rask, Lindholm, or TT to the Penguins in exchange for a top 6 wing.

Assuming what you outlined comes to pass, Ryan becomes the odd center out, not Rask.
 

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Hey guys, Pens fan here with a question. Been following the Duchene thread for awhile and I believe, along with a few others, that Matt would be a great addition to for you guys.

Let's pretend that he goes for a dman+pick from you guys. You now have: Duchene, Staal, Rask, Kruger, Lundholm, Ryan, TT, and Jooris as your centers. Do you believe a center would come available in that case and if so, who and at what cost?

Was floating the idea of Rask, Lindholm, or TT to the Penguins in exchange for a top 6 wing.

Lindholm isn't a C. Coach and GM pretty much said he's a RW and will be a RW. TT also seems to be more of a winger than C. Rask is a true C, but don't see why the Canes would move Rask just to have Derek Ryan as our 3C.
 

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Duchene/Staal/Rask/Kruger probably isn't feasible in the long-term, but it should be doable in the short-term, until Duchene's contract expires. I mean, I have to imagine that if the team were to make an aggressive move for Duchene, the organization would be in it to win it and be willing to make the financial commitment to do so.

The cool thing would be that the Canes would have a Roy or a Necas to fill in for the departing centerman at an ELC price at that point.
 

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Francis has his eye on the prize. Highest bidder for Tavares at the deadline, go on a run, and convince him to sign long-term.
 

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At some point, IMO, Rask starts looking like the odd man out, whether we're talking about trading for a Duchene, or in a couple years when Aho is moving to center and Necas/Wallmark/Roy are coming in.

At the same time though, I also wonder if Rask's game might translate to playing the wing. I think it would be a pretty easy transition for him to a sort of quasi-power winger. His style pretty much resembles that right now anyway IMO.
 

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If he's productive he has a contract that can move out pretty easily I would think. Much easier to move than jstaal. I like him at center I think because I expect wingers to have the speed to forecheck, while he's improved I don't think it'll ever be his forte. I think Peter's likes speed on the wings.
 

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If he's productive he has a contract that can move out pretty easily I would think. Much easier to move than jstaal. I like him at center I think because I expect wingers to have the speed to forecheck, while he's improved I don't think it'll ever be his forte. I think Peter's likes speed on the wings.

Today, probably yes but it really depends on when. Staal is signed for only 1 more year than Rask at $2M more. While I would like to see more offense from Staal, particularly based on expectations when we signed him, I think he is worth $2M more than Rask. They put up the same number of points the last 2 seasons (Jordan in less games) and Staal faced much more difficult competition and provided so much more to the team in terms of defense, PK, possession, etc... So for a team tight against the cap, yes, Staal (without retention) would be more difficult to move, but other than that, I don't see him being more difficult to move (provided his game doesn't tail off as he gets older). Right now, I'd keep Staal over Rask any day of the week, even at $2M more.

The rest of what you wrote, I agree 100% with. Rask's speed would concern me at winger and as long as he keeps putting up ~50 points, it would be easy to move him for a comparable winger if it ever came to that.

If you listen to that interview from Duchene in the OP on the main trade board, he said something that many have been saying for years, (as it applied to Eric Staal). You need the speed, but speed alone doesn't work any more because the defensemen in this league are such good skaters. There are very few Hal Gill's, or Bryan Allen's in the NHL these days so it's hard to blow by defensemen. You still need the speed, but you need something else to get by today's defensemen. E. Staal and Cole used to use speed and just blow by guys wide and take it to the net. Much harder to do that in today's NHL. Rask would be at an even further disadvantage on the wing IMO.
 

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While he may be worth more than 2 million than a Rask to us, I don't think he's been worth 6 to many teams in the league at all. If Rask consistently puts up 50 plus pts I don't know that I would value jstaal much more at all. I know Fancy stats are the rage but I think jstaal can be a strong argument against them. Possession without ever taking it to the net isn't is valueable as possession that does. He wins draws, that's important but not necessarily at that price. I think there are some teams that may take him full price but we wouldn't be getting value back. I think because of that he's ours. He brings a lot of positives for sure, but I don't want his contract to be the one that stops us from keeping a younger player coming up. He's not worth that to me unless he plays that A game he's teases us with a few times.

On the plus side, as contracts keep going up at some point his deal becomes more palatable I expect.
 

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While he may be worth more than 2 million than a Rask to us, I don't think he's been worth 6 to many teams in the league at all. If Rask consistently puts up 50 plus pts I don't know that I would value jstaal much more at all. I know Fancy stats are the rage but I think jstaal can be a strong argument against them. Possession without ever taking it to the net isn't is valueable as possession that does. He wins draws, that's important but not necessarily at that price. I think there are some teams that may take him full price but we wouldn't be getting value back. I think because of that he's ours. He brings a lot of positives for sure, but I don't want his contract to be the one that stops us from keeping a younger player coming up. He's not worth that to me unless he plays that A game he's teases us with a few times.

It really depends on the team. A guy like Rask would be more suited to a team like the Pens who have Crosby/Malkin. To other teams, Staal would be a better fit. To me though, it's more than fancy stats. It's the fact that he's much better defensively and can effectively go against top competition and still put up those numbers. Rask can't. Take Staal of this team and put Rask in his role and the Canes would suffer, tremendously IMO. Put Staal with anyone in any situation and you get the same results. Not the case with Rask IMO.

I'm fine with the view that he's not worth his contract because of the deficiencies offensively, or that the $6M would be better spent elsewhere, but unless Rask shows more to his overall game against better competition, I value Staal more, even with the higher salary.

On the plus side, as contracts keep going up at some point his deal becomes more palatable I expect.

Yeah, that's true, and it applies to Rask's $4M and Staal's $6M both.
 

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I think Jordan would pretty easily get a similar contract to what he has remaining if he were on the open market, given what he brings. I also don't think he'd be terribly difficult to move, but it might be hard to replace his value in a trade.

I like Rask, but there isn't much special about him. He is definitely one of the players you would think gets pushed out by younger, cheaper players eventually. But we need his production for now.
 

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