Off-Season Thread: Free Agency & Trade Talk

[Big Poppa Puck]

That's an absolutely ridiculous overpayment.

I know. Teams might have asked for that at first, because why not?Bbut I don't think that's what it will take to move the contract unless teams are just out to screw the Wings.


If you're a team who needs to reach the cap floor there is absolutely no reason to not take the cap hit to get a free asset(s) (Jurco/Pulkinnen/3rd/whatever), it's not like they have to pay Datsyuk.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

if it costs AA and Svechnikov, hell no.

If it costs AA or Svechnikov, I still say hell no.

 

[Shaman464]

Please. Holland actually likes Howard. He won't trade him for a 7th

I would trade Howard for a 38 year old career USHLer at this point.

 

[Shaman464]

if it costs AA and Svechnikov, hell no.

The deal should be structured that if Wings get Stamkos or Radulov, then we 'might' give something more.

I would trade AA with Datsyuk and a 2nd/3rd if a really good defensive prospect was coming back in return. Because AA+Dats!=cap relief.

 

[Vladdy84]

I would trade AA with Datsyuk and a 2nd/3rd if a really good defensive prospect was coming back in return. Because AA+Dats!=cap relief.

Trading AA is DUMB AS ****

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Trading AA is DUMB AS ****

Not if you get a d prospect similar to aas leek

I don't know why people label him as untouchable

 

[Shaman464]

Trading AA is DUMB AS ****

Why? It's going to come down to trading one of AA, Mantha or Svechnikov for a young defenseman, and I believe that AA has the lowest ceiling by a lot of those three. Especially if the Wings are going after a big name like Stamkos they will need to trade at least one winger and why not try to build a package that can get you something of real value in return?

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Not if you get a d prospect similar to aas leek

I don't know why people label him as untouchable

trading AA to dump datsyuk i think seems dumb

trading AA in a pckg for fowler or shattenkirk is not dumb

 

[SpookyTsuki]

trading AA to dump datsyuk i think seems dumb

trading AA in a pckg for fowler or shattenkirk is not dumb

Trading aa to dump datsyuk is like trading Tera to dump bickell

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Bruins offer 1st for shattenkirk

I bet holland doesn't even think of it

 

[Ezekial]

Trading aa to dump datsyuk is like trading Tera to dump bickell

Except Carolina has to pay Bickell a salary or a buyout, Datsyuk is just a number.

Chicago had to do it due to their situation, Detroit doesn't.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Not if you get a d prospect similar to aas leek

I don't know why people label him as untouchable

With where the Wings are at, no one on the team should be considered untouchable depending on the player they acquire as a result.

Maybe Mrazek is untouchable because he has the potential to be great and goalies are such a gamble to draft or acquire.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Trading aa to dump datsyuk is like trading Tera to dump bickell

yes it is so long as we get back a 2nd and a 3rd rd pick from a lottery team(ie, carolina)

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Except Carolina has to pay Bickell a salary or a buyout, Datsyuk is just a number.

Chicago had to do it due to their situation, Detroit doesn't.

I know but that's what it would be like

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Bruins offer 1st for shattenkirk

I bet holland doesn't even think of it

was it the 14th or the 29th?

i suspect it was the 29th plus assets

 

[Retire91]

With where the Wings are at, no one on the team should be considered untouchable depending on the player they acquire as a result.

Maybe Mrazek is untouchable because he has the potential to be great and goalies are such a gamble to draft or acquire.

I agree with this but with Holland's track record on trades I get apprehensive when these names are thrown around. I am a bit astonished how little concern these players and picks are being thrown around just to get rid of a contract for one season during non-contention.

 

[Fear]

You turn away any opportunity that does not make sense to timing a cup window. This team needs elite talent but it needs elite talent organically just like ever major cup winner in recent memory has done. You sign UFA's when you have an actual core to add them to. UFA put already existing a contenders over the top, like Hossa. If you are adding UFA's to try and build a contender you are doing it wrong. All Stamkos does is help ensure the team picks 15+ during the teams noncompetitive window. A non-competitive window that has been extended because the team refuses to accept a rebuild.

Boston did it with Chara, and New Jersey made the finals with Kovalchuk

 

[PelagicJoe]

Whether you like the contract extension or not, Abdelkader is probably the most valuable player on the roster.

This is an excerpt from Mike Rupp and Ryan Whitney's playoff preview in the players tribune. I think Rupp sums up perfectly the problem with the current team make-up and was bang on in his prediction of how the series vs Tampa would go.

The Wings either need to get more guys like Abdelkader or convince some of the bigger guys to play more like him

Agreed. The Wings do lack players that like to get physical & in the face of the opposition. Other than Abby, we have Glendening and occasionally Ericsson whenever he actually shows up to play a decent game.
Adding Stamkos + amother player similar to Abby would do this team some good.

 

[Reddwit]

You turn away any opportunity that does not make sense to timing a cup window. This team needs elite talent but it needs elite talent organically just like ever major cup winner in recent memory has done. You sign UFA's when you have an actual core to add them to. UFA put already existing a contenders over the top, like Hossa. If you are adding UFA's to try and build a contender you are doing it wrong. All Stamkos does is help ensure the team picks 15+ during the teams noncompetitive window. A non-competitive window that has been extended because the team refuses to accept a rebuild.

1. This potential roster is already one of the most organic in the league. Its filled almost entirely with homegrown or developed products.

2. Most UFAs aren't 26 and playing one of the most integral positions to roster building.

 

[jkutswings]

1. This potential roster is already one of the most organic in the league. Its filled almost entirely with homegrown or developed products.

2. Most UFAs aren't 26 and playing one of the most integral positions to roster building.

I think his other implied point is that the current roster is mostly organic compost, as opposed to high-end talent.

 

[Retire91]

1. This potential roster is already one of the most organic in the league. Its filled almost entirely with homegrown or developed products.

2. Most UFAs aren't 26 and playing one of the most integral positions to roster building.

LOL homegrown yeah like Erickson and Abby? The homegrown elite talent has aged out of their role. The other homegrown talent is overpaid, and over-termed. Larkin and Mrazek have potential its why the organization should be building around that age group and not patching together streak protection.

 

[Retire91]

Boston did it with Chara, and New Jersey made the finals with Kovalchuk

Gotcha one team out of the cap era signed some key UFA and had a red hot goalie that probably could have took a bottom feeder to the finals won a cup. I retract everything. I mean Pronger did it with Edmonton too. Stamkos is not Pronger or Chara.

I am not to clear on NJ did they have Parise too? Just took a look at that team it really wasn't that bad without Kovy, Detroit is not a Stamkos away from replicating that.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Gotcha one team out of the cap era signed some key UFA and had a red hot goalie that probably could have took a bottom feeder to the finals won a cup. I retract everything.

san jose

its best players are via trade, free agency and late rd draft picks

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

LOL homegrown yeah like Erickson and Abby? The homegrown elite talent has aged out of their role. The other homegrown talent is overpaid, and over-termed. Larkin and Mrazek have potential its why the organization should be building around that age group and not patching together streak protection.

allright Federov I will bite

If you were the DRW GM what would you do and your answer can not be hope for "injuries to zetts and kronwall and terrible seasons from larkin and mrazek"

how would you go about 100% landing us a legit #1 NHL centermen capable of at least multiple 70pt seasons, a legit #1 NHL dman who can play in all three zones, run a PP and put up multiple 40 plus pt seasons and log at least 23mins a game, every game AND build out the rest fo the roster that can compete for a cup

if the answer is draft pls tell me(us) how we will land those picks and roughly how long it will take based on recent NHL hx of tanking teams to complete this rebuild

luck is not an acceptable answer either

pls be very specific(or as much as you can)

 

[Retire91]

san jose

its best players are via trade, free agency and late rd draft picks

Come on when is the last time Holland made a relevant trade that increased the cup contention factor of this team?

allright Federov I will bite

If you were the DRW GM what would you do and your answer can not be hope for "injuries to zetts and kronwall and terrible seasons from larkin and mrazek"

how would you go about 100% landing us a legit #1 NHL centermen capable of at least multiple 70pt seasons, a legit #1 NHL dman who can play in all three zones, run a PP and put up multiple 40 plus pt seasons and log at least 23mins a game, every game AND build out the rest fo the roster that can compete for a cup

if the answer is draft pls tell me(us) how we will land those picks and roughly how long it will take based on recent NHL hx of tanking teams to complete this rebuild

luck is not an acceptable answer either

pls be very specific(or as much as you can)

Its not like that you just gotta stop trying to short cut the system, you can't patchwork this roster deep into the playoffs. The patchwork has gone on long enough that the roster has deteriorated to embarrassment levels. Add on top of that Holland's country club contracts and you have a window where there is no logical action other than rebuilding. You rebuild to stock picks, you rebuild to let the daytsuk contract fall away, you rebuild to let Erickson's contract die, you rebuild to get Zetts and Kronwal on LTIR. You use the ice time to develop young players and if they can't handle development in the NHL then you move them on and use your picks collected in the rebuild to replace them. Once there is a legit core then you sprinkle in the UFA. Holland delayed a rebuild and extended how bad this roster was going to get. Now everyone wants a magic UFA solution to pretend we can just sign our way out of it. Its not an ideal or perfect direction but its the best and only chance there is. At some point Holland has to stop trying to magically get deep in the playoffs and build a team that contains elite talent. Talent that is not outlandishly expensive and is going to be tapering off when Larkin, Mrazek, Mantha, and crew are in their prime. Its not how long this will take that is a factor. Its that not doing it is just spinning the wheels of mediocrity indefinitely. Good is the enemy of great.