Speculation: Nylander VII

[Go Wings]

Can we do a Subban for Nylander + deal just to watch the internet burn?

Sure how about Subban for Nylander + Marner.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

Sure how about Subban for Nylander + Marner.

I mean I wouldn't say no but that's not what I had in mind.

Subban + Hartman for Nylander + Zaitsev.

 

[airbus220]

He is greedy, straight up

Yes he is, but You could say Shanaplan is greedy too.
They could have kept the 2 better goalies,
traded Andersen in April
and waived Sparks.
Problem solved.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I wonder how many people would agree to taking a 5%-10% paycut of their salary just becasue their salary is already high enough....

More like.. If I was already making countless times more than I would ever need in my lifetime, and I had just spent 2 years working under one of the best in my industry, for a company primed to rocket to the top of the industry, and they offered me a 400% raise, I probably wouldn't start my third year sitting at home until I got a 500% raise instead. Especially when I was already at or above market rate as an individual with little experience, and they had a TON of benefits. I probably wouldn't risk getting transferred or fired, forced to move and leave everybody I know at a place I am happy, to an unknown place with worse learning potential, and less opportunity for advancement, who won't pay me the 500% raise either anyway, while offering less benefits.

I would take the small amount less, that is still entirely fair and market value for my industry, in order to not leave a situation that I love, that is best for my long-term career and earning potential.

 

[waitin425]

We need a list of teams that would be in the market for him but also have what the leafs would require in a trade (surplus d)

Anaheim (Manson)
Carolina (Pesce)
Nashville (Ellis)
Philly (gudas, Morin)
Vegas (Hague, Brannstrom)
Islanders (Pullock)
Minnesota (spurgeon)

 

[Roman Yoshi]

We need a list of teams that would be in the market for him but also have what the leafs would require in a trade (surplus d)

Anaheim (Manson)
Carolina (Pesce)
Nashville (Ellis)
Philly (gudas, Morin)
Vegas (Hague, Brannstrom)
Islanders (Pullock)
Minnesota (spurgeon)

I honestly believe there is a 0% chance Elis is moved before Subban.

 

[Macch]

We need a list of teams that would be in the market for him but also have what the leafs would require in a trade (surplus d)

Anaheim (Manson)
Carolina (Pesce)
Nashville (Ellis)
Philly (gudas, Morin)
Vegas (Hague, Brannstrom)
Islanders (Pullock)
Minnesota (spurgeon)

Good start. Now take Isles off the list.

 

[Nizdizzle]

I mean I wouldn't say no but that's not what I had in mind.

Subban + Hartman for Nylander + Zaitsev.

I would do this in a hearbeat as a Leafs fan. Getting Subban on the Leafs blue-line would be a game changer.

Rielly - Subban
Gardiner - Hainsey
Dermott - Ozhiganov

Bumps Hainsey off the top-pair, gives Gardiner a partner that can play back and let him play aggressive, moving Zaitsev/Nylander gives enough cap space to fit Subban. Still not perfect on the right side, but a massive step in the right direction. Adding Liljegrin would make it respectable.

 

[Colt55]

Jaccob Slavin
Colton Parayko
Jacob Trouba
Matt Dumba

Those are just a few names, obviously depends on the fit for other teams but that's something the Leafs would be looking towards.

Let's be very clear here. Nylander is not worth parayko. Not even close. Now add in the fact that nylander hasn't been at training camp is a hold out and wants 8+ a year to bevs winger. That adds negative value. On top of that scoring doesn't seem to be an issue right now for blues defense is.

So do us all a favor just remove parayko name from list of possible trade targets. Nothing personal just facts

 

[Brock Radunske]

I mean I wouldn't say no but that's not what I had in mind.

Subban + Hartman for Nylander + Zaitsev.

Deal.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Good start. Now take Isles off the list.

Agreed. He's not the same caliber as the others

 

[Sundinisagod]

I mean I wouldn't say no but that's not what I had in mind.

Subban + Hartman for Nylander + Zaitsev.

That would be an absolutely amazing trade for Toronto. To get our #1 rhd and solve our cap issues all in the same trade would make Dubas like a genius. I can't see Nashville taking the risk on Zaitsev here though, they'd want either Dermott or Liljegren I'd think.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

That would be an absolutely amazing trade for Toronto. To get our #1 rhd and solve our cap issues all in the same trade would make Dubas like a genius. I can't see Nashville taking the risk on Zaitsev here though, they'd want either Dermott or Liljegren I'd think.

Really? I thought Zaitsez was a serviceable top 4.

The problem is another looming expansion draft. If Nashville got Nylander, they would need to do the 7/3 protection plan than the 8 skaters ones.

If Toronto would do Nylander and Liligren for Subban and Hartman, I'd rather do that, but I'm just not sure Toronto would be ok with that kind of deal or that Liligren is ready for a top 4 role.

 

[Sundinisagod]

Really? I thought Zaitsez was a serviceable top 4.

The problem is another looming expansion draft. If Nashville got Nylander, they would need to do the 7/3 protection plan than the 8 skaters ones.

If Toronto would do Nylander and Liligren for Subban and Hartman, I'd rather do that, but I'm just not sure Toronto would be ok with that kind of deal or that Liligren is ready for a top 4 role.

The issue with Zaitsev is his contract, it's 4.5m with 6 years remaining, including this year. He looked like he'd be a solid #4 in his rookie season, then last season he played like a bottom pairing d. It could go either way with him, at worst he's a bottom pairing RHD making 4.5 for a long time, or at best he's a top 4.

Liljegren wouldn't be easy to give up, but in this scenario I'm sure the Leafs brass would at least consider it.

 

[LucicAndChong]

I mean I wouldn't say no but that's not what I had in mind.

Subban + Hartman for Nylander + Zaitsev.

yes plz

 

[paulhiggins]

You don't give up young D when you have no depth on D. You give up F. Or F + Hainsey.

Zaitsev, Dermott and Liljegren will all be kept.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I mean I wouldn't say no but that's not what I had in mind.

Subban + Hartman for Nylander + Zaitsev.

You'd rather have a 7.5M Nylander than Subban @ 9? Yeesh Subban probably outscores Nylander in the playoffs 9 years out of 10

 

[WhatTheDuck]

We need a list of teams that would be in the market for him but also have what the leafs would require in a trade (surplus d)

Anaheim (Manson)
Carolina (Pesce)
Nashville (Ellis)
Philly (gudas, Morin)
Vegas (Hague, Brannstrom)
Islanders (Pullock)
Minnesota (spurgeon)

You can go ahead and remove Manson from your list, Anaheim doesn't need Luke Schenn in its top 4. They can't move yet another top 4 D just a year after trading Vatanen and Theodore, no longer have the depth to do so.

 

[justafan22]

I mean I wouldn't say no but that's not what I had in mind.

Subban + Hartman for Nylander + Zaitsev.

I'd do it. Hartman isn't that good, but upgrading to Subban and getting rid of Zaitsev's contract is a bonus. Nylander would kill it in nashville.

 

[SnizzNasty88]

Let's be very clear here. Nylander is not worth parayko. Not even close. Now add in the fact that nylander hasn't been at training camp is a hold out and wants 8+ a year to bevs winger. That adds negative value. On top of that scoring doesn't seem to be an issue right now for blues defense is.

So do us all a favor just remove parayko name from list of possible trade targets. Nothing personal just facts

Fair, but not even close? Come on, lets not stroke Parayko clean here like you're doing. Willy put up back to back 60 point seasons in his sleep. I listed those names just as examples of names as returns we'd be looking for in return for Nylander and maybe another asset(s) if it is required.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

I mean if Toronto would do Liligren and Nylander for Subban and Hartman, I'm all for it. I just assumed that isn't what Toronto would want to do

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Here is a insightful read of what comes with William Nylander. No paywall.

SINS OF THE FATHER
BY GARE JOYCE IN TORONTO

You'd think being the son of a former NHLer would help pave the way for a talented young player. But, as outlined in this exclusive excerpt from Gare Joyce's new book 'Young Leafs', what the Maple Leafs risked by drafting William Nylander is that he'd be too much like his dad.

Big Read: What the Maple Leafs risked by drafting William Nylander - Sportsnet.ca

 

[Dekes For Days]

I imagine Liljegren isn't available.

He's a steal of a prospect, doing amazing, at our position of highest need, who is protected in the expansion draft, who will have a cheap ELC exactly when we need it. Has also shown brief chemistry with our next best prospect, Sandin.

Also a lot of Zaitsev bashing in this thread for no reason. He's a good player, and while I understand the concerns around his contract with core players needing to be signed, he's paid pretty fairly for what he is (and for what his negotiating leverage was at the time), and has room to grow. That contract could be a HUGE help for us down the road.

Not saying I wouldn't move Zaitsev in a trade for Subban, but people acting like it's a bonus to get rid of that contract, give your head a shake.

 

[Boxscore]

He is greedy, straight up

But you had no problem with Tavares signing for the NHL's second largest cap hit behind McDavid? Why didn't Tavares settle for 9.5 mil a year like Kucherov did so he could set the tone for Leafs players "all taking less to be part of the team?" Tavares was making 5.5 mil... wait, a 73% salary increase to 9.5 mil wasn't enough? He needed to make 11?

"We're going to pay Tavares the second largest cap hit in the NHL but William, Mitch and Auston, you all need to take less."

Nylander greedy? lol.

 

[Just Rude]

Agreed, all players should play for minimum salary.

Because that is what he is saying, right?