Nylander Discussion

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  1. Menzinger Kessel4LadyByng

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    Beacuse based on most contract comparisons - ie like those put forward by EvolvingWild - had him making in the 9-10 mil range over 6 years. And he fell outside that range.

    Edit: these contract discussions still so boring at this point. This was my last word on it in this thread
     
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    Arguing about a player's contract is something I can't understand. It's signed, sealed and delivered. There's nothing you can do about it, why obsess?

    Arguing about a player's on ice skills, efforts and results...I can get behind that.

    Love Nylander's skills. Frustrated by his efforts, kid, you've got so much more to give. Results, given his efforts, they're about where they should be given his low shooting percentage.

    I'd ask, though some would argue it's (cap wise) an inefficient use of his salary, would Nylander thrive as 3C on this team and would Kerfoot be able to replace Nylander's contributions on Matthew's wing?
     
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    Evolving wild had Matthews 9.9MM for 5 years and Marner at 8.8MM for 6. Panarin for 10.4 for 7 and Laine...5 for 2.


    Double standards. I get why you dont want to talk about it.
    I prefer to let contracts lie where they are but you cant be slamming Marners contract while ignoring your favorite players.
     
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    I’m so with you on the contract talks about anyone after the fact ...
    Personally I don’t care even before or during
     
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    Whats the difference? Were not impacting anything here anyways, it's all just opinions
     
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    I dont recall.having particularly firm opinions on the Laine or Panarin contracts lol.

    Nor do i really understand why you care so much about my position on Marner's deal lol. It was an overpayment. Lets just leave it at that
     
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    I added the 2 to point out the fallacy of the source you used to point out Marners overpayment while maintaining both Nylander and Matthews are adequately paid. Im not the one harping on their contracts. What is done is done and it is ok to say they were all overpaid. By your source, Matthews and Marner are pretty close to being equally overpaid.
     
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    they are not equally overpaid

    they are inequally overpaid

    they are both adequately paid

    they are both inadequately overpaid

    they are both paid over inequally

    they are both paid in equal to overpayments

    overpayments are equal to thr

    that is something you simply can't argue with
     
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    a bit more tonic in your vodka might be in order
     
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    I'm guessing you're talking about the difference between signed contracts and on ice performance? My view: the first is settled and nothing can be done about it, the second deals with hopeful outcomes and discussions of usage, efforts and why things aren't what we want and how they can be improved...opinion stuff. If I'm wrong about your intended comparison, oops.
     
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    My thought is neither are within our control and were all just discussing opinions. In a cap world, value matters and helps shape expectations. It's ko different than talking systems, options, etc... To me at least
     
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    What about Matthews?

    What about Nylander?

    What about Tavares?

    :laugh:
     
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    But when he was signed, he wasn't was he? This is the lamest rationalization I've ever read.

    One team (Hint: Boston) signed a player based on the player's potential, the other paid top dollar for his ceiling.

    How does that make you feel better?
     
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    EvolvingWild had Nylander at 6.3 mill too. How are there other people pissed with his 0.6 mill overpayment when according to EvolvingWild's projections, Matthews is overpaid by 1.5-ish mill and Marner overpaid by 2-ish mill?

    Dubas main weakness (one of the very few) is his contract negotiations with his star players (not non-star players), and he's only overpaid them in total by 4.0 - 4.5 million. A team like Boston for example pay Backes 6 mill to be useless. The only issue I have with the contracts is that they should have all been 7 or 8 year contracts, but whatever.
     
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    So you're really done now? :DD
     
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    Been over this in some other threads but Evolving wilds projections have some big flaws.
     
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    Just curious, could you post that here too or PM me what the flaws are?
     
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    you nailed it.
     
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    The model is pretty accurate on a macro level but on a micro level it has serious issues with term and adjusting values for term properly.
    The model also doesn't take into account a teams internal cap situation. So I mean in a vacuum it is decent but in the real world it's flawed.
     
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    9:10 left in the first period. Watch Nylander along the wall turn to skate the puck out and D is pinching and gonna hit him, he skates away from the puck to avoid the contact and the D keeps the puck in. I cant watch Nylander anymore. I dont want to be held hostage by him showing up when he wants, competes when he wants. U cant win with soft players like this, imagine the players with heart and compete watching Nylander avoid all contact to preserve himself. Leafs wont go anywhere when Matthews playmaking winger disappears, doesnt care for 60 games a year.
     
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    you knew when he got hit on the first shift it was going to be a off night for WN.
     
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    Yup, exactly what I saw too.

    Also, that Matthews line always getting scored on.

    So damn overrated that line.

    It is like all the other teams know what to do.

    Let them skate it in. Then lean on Nylander or Johnsson when they have the puck, they will give it up just like that. Then everyone go straight up ice as the Leafs wingers will not bother to come back.

    When was the last time Tyler Meyers scored a goal?

    :nod:
     
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    wrong Myers.
     
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    Terrible player, shows up on the scoreboard once every 10 games in a very flashy way so it tricks people into thinking he's good. Not the type of player you win with

    He's got no balls, afraid of any type of contact. Gets paid more than Larkin and Pastrnak which makes it that much worse, but thats another story. We got Dubass to thank for that
     
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