Non-Minnesota NHL News XIV - Seattle Expansion(?)

[Dr Jan Itor]

Not sure why you would bring up Salomaki? Both Stewart and Winnik were on the team last season and both were better than Foligno in every aspect.

Winnik, yes.

Stewart was trash except for a hot streak in which he played a lot with Zucker and Koivu.

Foligno was somewhere between them.

 

[2Pair]

Winnik, yes.

Stewart was trash except for a hot streak in which he played a lot with Zucker and Koivu.

Foligno was somewhere between them.

You say that everytime that Stewart comes up, but it simply isn't true. Stewart played maybe 3-4 games with Staal and Zucker, and he only scored 2 of his goals in that time. And 1 of those was during the Chicago game where everyone got hurt.

To be clear, I'm not saying that Stewart was any good last year, but he was much better than Foligno.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

You say that everytime that Stewart comes up, but it simply isn't true. Stewart played maybe 3-4 games with Staal and Zucker, and he only scored 2 of his goals in that time. And 1 of those was during the Chicago game where everyone got hurt.

To be clear, I'm not saying that Stewart was any good last year, but he was much better than Foligno.

There's just no basis for saying that. Foligno's raw corsi was 48.1%, that was 12th best on the team (top ten if you take out Kloos and Belpedio). Obviously he didn't face the competition that Koivu did, but he had a higher relative corsi than Parise, Coyle and Winnik. He had the same fenwick as Suter, and again a better relative Fenwick than Coyle, Parise, Winnik. Stewart was awful by those metrics, but Foligno also outscored him. 5v5P/60: Foligno: 1.49, Stewart: 1.42 (same as Cullen).

Like, you might think he makes too much money, but he's relatively effective at what he does. I'm not a huge fan but you don't win games by having a bunch of terrible players making league minimum and doing worse than that.

 

[2Pair]

There's just no basis for saying that. Foligno's raw corsi was 48.1%, that was 12th best on the team (top ten if you take out Kloos and Belpedio). Obviously he didn't face the competition that Koivu did, but he had a higher relative corsi than Parise, Coyle and Winnik. He had the same fenwick as Suter, and again a better relative Fenwick than Coyle, Parise, Winnik. Stewart was awful by those metrics, but Foligno also outscored him. 5v5P/60: Foligno: 1.49, Stewart: 1.42 (same as Cullen).

Like, you might think he makes too much money, but he's relatively effective at what he does. I'm not a huge fan but you don't win games by having a bunch of terrible players making league minimum and doing worse than that.

Corsi and Fenwick? Seriously? For a 4th line player that can't be used in deffensive situations?

 

[Saga of the Elk]

Corsi and Fenwick? Seriously? For a 4th line player that can't be used in deffensive situations?

He basically doesn't give up too much when he's out on the ice. Do you expect 40 goals? He hits people and holds his own about as well as any other guy on the Wild. A worse player - a player making league minimum - would probably do .... worse!

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

You say that everytime that Stewart comes up, but it simply isn't true. Stewart played maybe 3-4 games with Staal and Zucker, and he only scored 2 of his goals in that time. And 1 of those was during the Chicago game where everyone got hurt.

To be clear, I'm not saying that Stewart was any good last year, but he was much better than Foligno.

And to also be clear, I'm interested in seeing by which metric your opinion is based on.

 

[57special]

Foligno is fine as a 4th liner. Not the smartest, or most skilled player, but he's physical, strong, and relatively fast. Reasonably good without the puck. If he is one of the top 9 then he is less effective, as plays tend to die on his stick.
I think the hate for him is because he is perceived as the return on Scandella, who is a much better player.

 

[2Pair]

And to also be clear, I'm interested in seeing by which metric your opinion is based on.

There were 82 of them last season.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

There were 82 of them last season.

So no metric, just your hatred.

 

[2Pair]

So no metric, just your hatred.

Do you really need a statistic to know that Marcus Foligno is not a good hockey player? Do you have a "metric" that says he is good?

 

[Engebretson]

Beau Bennett signed in the KHL for this year

Not really surprising, although when you consider the Zucker vs. Bennett debates from years ago on the main board where Bennett was seen (by mostly Pens fans) as the superior player and now see where both players are at this stage in their career, it is slightly amusing.

 

[2Pair]

Beau Bennett signed in the KHL for this year

Not really surprising, although when you consider the Zucker vs. Bennett debates from years ago on the main board where Bennett was seen (by mostly Pens fans) as the superior player and now see where both players are at this stage in their career, it is slightly amusing.

I remember those conversations, they started when both guys were just getting started at Denver.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Do you really need a statistic to know that Marcus Foligno is not a good hockey player? Do you have a "metric" that says he is good?

Good vs. better than Stewart don't have to be the same thing.

 

[2Pair]

Good vs. better than Stewart don't have to be the same thing.

That's fair. When neither guy brings anything positive to the table, I'll take the guy that puts the puck in the net more often.

 

[Wild11MN]

So Skinner was traded to Buffalo for what seems like a pretty poor return. I wonder if we made a run at him.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

So Skinner was traded to Buffalo for what seems like a pretty poor return. I wonder if we made a run at him.

We don't have the room to trade from him for only picks and prospects, and trading guys with multiple years control for a pending UFA doesn't make a ton of sense.

 

[Wild11MN]

We don't have the room to trade from him for only picks and prospects, and trading guys with multiple years control for a pending UFA doesn't make a ton of sense.

Yeah, it probably would have required a precursor trade to ditch some salary first, and at least some indication that Skinner might be willing to re-sign here. Could be a pretty steep contract though going into UFA.

 

[Lapa]

Nate Schmidt suspended 20 games for performance enhancing drugs.

Oh my.

 

[Digitalbooya]

 

[Wild11MN]

Patches to Vegas in a late night trade.

 

[Wabit]

Patches to Vegas in a late night trade.

Bout time he was traded.

 

[Goose312]

Vegas basically traded a first, two future 2nds, a future 3rd and a good prospect for patches before negotiating for an extension. That Tatar trade was certainly their first big misstep.

 

[57special]

Tatar was their Hanzal. They decided to beef up for the playoffs, and the move failed.

 

[Wabit]

Tatar was their Hanzal. They decided to beef up for the playoffs, and the move failed.

Tater is the opposite of beefing up. He was meant to be another middle-6 goal scoring winger for the Playoffs. He just wasn't a good fit. The GM took the mistake on the chin, but went about correcting it instead trying to justify it with 3 more years on his contract.

Tatar's one of those "all the tools and no toolbox" guys. He's good for 20g/40p (maybe not in MTL where they have nothing), but overpayed for his production.

 

[Wild11MN]

Stevie Y steps down as GM of the Lightning. Interesting.