Prospect Info: Noah Juulsen Part II

[yianik]

Yup. Juulsen is being a overrated on this board. I don't know if he's trained the wrong way and put too much weight but he actually looks a step slower than last year and is constantly behind the play. His hockey sense seems average and I'm not seeing the improvements I was hoping for this year. Not a bad player but when people call him "a stud", I think they're envisioning the sort of defensemen who would have thrived in 1998. But 2018 is a bad time to try to be a Brooks Orpik.

Not saying he's a bust or anything. Any player that develops at the NHL level is a success and there's tons of room for improvement. It's early in the season and I'd love to see him be paired consistently with Mete until the new year. Fortunately there is no hurry with this guy and there's no reason he can't develop into a rock solid D within the next two years. But he sure hasn't played like one so far.

I'm looking at him as a possible very solid , mobile no.4D man who puts up about 10- 15 points. That's not a problem as long as he is paired with a 3D who can do about 30 points. Then you have your top pairing. Would be great if he can produce more, early days yet, but that's not a bad floor.

 

[Paddyjack]

Apparently he got hit by Jack Eichel during the Buffalo game. I didn’t watch it. Anyone know about when it happened?

I saw the hit, I didn't know who hit him though because I watch the game without sounds since my kids watch Paw Patrol on the other screen. It was not that big a hit but he was a bit badly positioned, and when he was back to the bench I saw him rolling/shrugging his shoulder so it did hurt.

 

[Tuggy]

Congrats on his first NHL goal! Lehkonen got credit last night but it's been changed.

 

[JuicyJofa]

Congrats on his first NHL goal! Lehkonen got credit last night but it's been changed.

It's actually his 2nd NHL goal. He got his 1st one against the Isles as well last year

 

[Hostile Offer]

Congrats on his first NHL goal! Lehkonen got credit last night but it's been changed.

So Lehky's dry spell continues. Wonder how long he can avoid the puck luck.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Juulsen should be playing in Laval on the top pairing with Juulsen. Call up Kulak and Lernout.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Juulsen should be playing in Laval on the top pairing with Juulsen. Call up Kulak and Lernout.

Playing with who?

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Playing with who?

Juulsen should be playing with Juulsen, can you read?

Truthfully I don't know if Juulsen playing with himself will help his game but I'm no expert.

 

[GHJimmy]

I always saw an offensive upside with him but he came to the league as an defensive d, oh well he plays amazing at it which is totally fine, Fleury could step in in couple seasons to get top pair offensive

 

[The Great Weal]

Aside from the Isles game, he was pretty bad for the other 3 games in the last 4.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

I'm looking at him as a possible very solid , mobile no.4D man who puts up about 10- 15 points. That's not a problem as long as he is paired with a 3D who can do about 30 points. Then you have your top pairing. Would be great if he can produce more, early days yet, but that's not a bad floor.

A 10-15 point d-man who isn't excellent defensively or physically is useless and should be sold off before his value plummets. He is replacement-level and those players can be found on the waiver-wire or anywhere, really. If he's only going to be a 10-15 point d-man, it's a terrible draft pick.

Thankfully he has some time to develop but it's not looking too hot.

 

[TT1]

A 10-15 point d-man who isn't excellent defensively or physically is useless and should be sold off before his value plummets. He is replacement-level and those players can be found on the waiver-wire or anywhere, really. If he's only going to be a 10-15 point d-man, it's a terrible draft pick.

Thankfully he has some time to develop but it's not looking too hot.

Sadly management/MB doesn't have the foresight to pull off a move like this (especially when it comes to young players), he basically waits until it's too late and they lose all value.

i.e: Tinordi, Beaulieu, Scherbak, McCarron

Juulsen will be a serviceable NHL'er (unlike the players listed above) but i don't think he'll become anything more than a #4 dman in the league. Right now he could definitely be moved for a return that out-values his upside as a player.

 

[Tyson]

He is starting to struggle, don’t want to mess up his confidence

 

[Mrb1p]

A 10-15 point d-man who isn't excellent defensively or physically is useless and should be sold off before his value plummets. He is replacement-level and those players can be found on the waiver-wire or anywhere, really. If he's only going to be a 10-15 point d-man, it's a terrible draft pick.

Thankfully he has some time to develop but it's not looking too hot.

Juulsen has been one of the very best defensive player in every league he has played. His underlying numbers always compare to guys like Bergeron, defensively, theres no way Juulsen isnt worth anything. Where is this coming from? Do people forget he is 21?

 

[CauZuki]

He is starting to struggle, don’t want to mess up his confidence

The whole D is struggling , everyone is playing way too high up in the line-up.
Rielly has looked mediocre at times , Mete has been fairly quiet , not to mention but I think Juulsen may have comeback too early from his injury.(This is 100% my own speculation)
We really need Weber back to bring some balance, Petry shouldn't be playing nearly 30 minutes a night.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

Juulsen has been one of the very best defensive player in every league he has played. His underlying numbers always compare to guys like Bergeron, defensively, theres no way Juulsen isnt worth anything. Where is this coming from? Do people forget he is 21?

I know he's young and can develop but he is very bad at playmaking and in the NHL today you can't be a strictly defensive dman unless you're an exceptional one. Juulsen is not an exception NHL defensive dman.

Do you reckon he will be?

 

[Deebs]

I know he's young and can develop but he is very bad at playmaking and in the NHL today you can't be a strictly defensive dman unless you're an exceptional one. Juulsen is not an exception NHL defensive dman.

Do you reckon he will be?

Bad at playmaking...how so?

 

[417]

Needs to stop sliding on the ice so much...takes himself out of the play all the time.

But hey, this is all part of learning/development.

 

[Habs]

Still my favorite D right now.

 

[Mrb1p]

I know he's young and can develop but he is very bad at playmaking and in the NHL today you can't be a strictly defensive dman unless you're an exceptional one. Juulsen is not an exception NHL defensive dman.

Do you reckon he will be?

He's bad at playmaking ? He makes the safe plays, thats for sure, but hella worse players have carved a career in the NHL. His shot is always a threat, and he's a force on the offensive blueline because of his lateral mobility.

I think you're getting confused here, you think he's a finished product, you think he will not get better, which is weird, since we all know that defenders take longer to develop. Mete and him are far from finished products, even though theyre in the NHL.

 

[L4br3cqu3]

Love the physicality that he brings, and he still hasn't filled out, he's only 193lbs right now (RDS said that yesterday), can really see him to at least 210lbs, he has the frame for that.

But like some said, he's struggling a bit with the speed right now, and I hope that if he keep struggling, that he's sent back in the AHL (along with Mete, who's also struggling)

Bring back Kulak and Lernout, like @mariolemieux66 said, Mete and Juulsen are redeemable and young enough to develop some more, Kulak and Lernout can perhaps do the job in the meantime. (Weber and Schlemko are due to come back soon too)

I don't want rushed kids anymore.

 

[Mrb1p]

Love the physicality that he brings, and he still hasn't filled out, he's only 193lbs right now (RDS said that yesterday), can really see him to at least 210lbs, he has the frame for that.

But like some said, he's struggling a bit with the speed right now, and I hope that if he keep struggling, that he's sent back in the AHL (along with Mete, who's also struggling)

Bring back Kulak and Lernout, like @mariolemieux66 said, Mete and Juulsen are redeemable and young enough to develop some more, Kulak and Lernout can perhaps do the job in the meantime. (Weber and Schlemko are due to come back soon too)

I don't want rushed kids anymore.

I really don't see the struggles people have been hinting at for the two kids... I mean, yeah, Juulsen pinched for a hit at the wrong time, but thats on experience. The rest is just regular defensive breakdown from the team and inexperience too.


Mete should really be in the AHL though, that's for sure. Juulsen hasn't been playing bad enough to send him down, he's holding his head way above water, Rielly and him have been our best defenders night in and night out.

 

[Vachon23]

Love the physicality that he brings, and he still hasn't filled out, he's only 193lbs right now (RDS said that yesterday), can really see him to at least 210lbs, he has the frame for that.

But like some said, he's struggling a bit with the speed right now, and I hope that if he keep struggling, that he's sent back in the AHL (along with Mete, who's also struggling)

Bring back Kulak and Lernout, like @mariolemieux66 said, Mete and Juulsen are redeemable and young enough to develop some more, Kulak and Lernout can perhaps do the job in the meantime. (Weber and Schlemko are due to come back soon too)

I don't want rushed kids anymore.

I'm ok with Kulak but not Lernout ... he is struggling right now in the AHL .. wait until Schlemko come back or put Alzner but not Lernout

 

[mariolemieux66]

I'm ok with Kulak but not Lernout ... he is struggling right now in the AHL .. wait until Schlemko come back or put Alzner but not Lernout

We got physically bullied last night apparently and we also lost the game. Mete isn't helping putting points on the board and isnt helping defensively much, Juulsen hasn't adapted to the NHL speed yet and they are both waiver eligible. It's Lernout last chance, give it to him and aim for a high first round pick this year.

 

[Mrb1p]

We got physically bullied last night apparently and we also lost the game. Mete isn't helping putting points on the board and isnt helping defensively much, Juulsen hasn't adapted to the NHL speed yet and they are both waiver eligible. It's Lernout last chance, give it to him and aim for a high first round pick this year.

Sending down Juulsen means he has to play over Fleury, which means Fleury isn't getting the same opportunities as he is now. There's a clear spot on the RD 2nd pairing for Juulsen and there's a clear spot for Fleury in the AHL. The wise thing to do is leave Juulsen on the 2nd pairing all year and leave Fleury on the first pairing all year, Mete can, and probably should go down though.