Post-Game Talk: No post-game blues in St-Louis. Only hats, wings, and wins. Habs win 7-4

[Big Lurk]

Bergevin was sitting there looking smug as usual and Caufield fell on his lap, everyone else good was already taken. Bergevin doesn't deserve any credit for this.

He still made the choice to draft him.
Its an easy choice. But its still his decision. Once again if you wanna shit on him for his draft decisions, passing on Brady AND fumbling KK is the one to look at.

Im afraid you might be, as the poet Boosie from Louisiana would phrase it :

Hypmapized with hatrad

10:55




The purple pants stress disorder is real.
Lot of posters, including me, suffer from various degrees of PPSD. I dont blame you brother. I dont blame you.

 

[Zorro]

I know Dvorak had the hat trick last night, but what a f***ing vanilla player. Every time he gets on the ice I tell myself it's time to go take a piss or grab something from the fridge.

I honestly don't see him with this team long term.

I know it's weird to post this after his hat trick, but I think they can get something of value for him at the trade deadline, do it. Especially if they can recoup that first rounder back.

You're right, he is very vanilla. That being said, i think that could be considered a plus. He's one of those players that could end up being very adaptable/moldable to what is needed in specific situations...sort of a jack of all trades. We know what his offensive output is, mid-teen goals and about 30 range in points, and as such he can't be expected to lead the charge. IMO the perfect spot would be 3C as a mostly a defensive specialist but with some offensive flair.

 

[rik schau]

Anderson has really improved the Dvorak-Gallagher pairing. My gawd Dadonov is awful. Dvorak's line was our most consistent and best tonight, along with Suzuki's, of course.

It's evident that Anderson was working on things in the off-season as he carrying the puck more with intent to do more than score but make plays,he's looking better.

Dvorak has more goals than Matthews.

And hair! lol.

 

[ReHabs]

This is exactly what I hate here, people mostly talk about the negative. I did say he wasn't a good GM overall. You still gotta give credit where credit is due. He did draft those guys, no one else did. He did turn Galchenyuk into Anderson. He did sign Toffoli and he did brought us to the cup. No one else did that for a while and that's something. Never said he was the greatest, but I did appreciate a lot the finals run and it was under Bergevin.

Also, stop acting like he could've signed superstars, there's litteraly no one who wants to come here. We have to develop our own stars. Yes he and Timmins did pick like shit for most of his tenure, but I'm pretty sure Molson didn't want him to rebuild like HuGo is doing right now.

Brother, I have all the patience in the world to argue (especially while I'm on client-time) but there is no benefit to either of us to string this charade along. Bergevin does not need you to defend his legacy because he's gone now so his legacy can speak for itself.

If we establish a baseline level of results we should have expected, then any reasonable person would say Bergevin fell below that level overall.

So I don't see any benefit to giving credit for signing Tyler Toffoli because literally every team signs UFAs, so there is nothing noteworthy about a handful of successful mid-tier signings over the span of ten years. Yes Toffoli, Eddy, Chiarot were all good acquisitions, but Armstrong, Bouillon, Parros, Alzner, Streit, Hemsky, all those bad backup goalies, and a bunch of others were not good or impressive and didn't help the Habs at all... so in the end you'd see more negative than positive on the FA front. Net bad.

The Habs made the Cup Finals (and got pummelled in the finals, don't forget) but they didn't win a single playoff round in the preceding five years and following the Cup finals they had the worst season in Habs history. Is that a net positive or net negative for you?

I did not say anything about 'signing superstars' but he didn't develop any either. Ten years, not one PPG player. Some teams have 2+ PPG players per season, we didn't have a single PPG player in TEN years. He turned a 3OA into Galchenyuk into Domi into Josh Anderson the 30-40pt player. 9OA to Sergachev to J. Drouin the 40pt winger who's always injured. He turned another 3OA into Kotkaniemi into a mid-to-low 1st round pick, and gave up another 1st round pick to acquire 40-45pt Dvorak.

Therrien and then Julien as head coach. Lefebvre in the AHL for over half a decade...

And so on.

IMO you should let some fans rant about Bergevin... he does not need anybody to defend his legacy. His tenure is an unambiguous Loss and unambiguous negative and it's thankfully over.

 

[26Mats]

Anderson has really improved the Dvorak-Gallagher pairing. My gawd Dadonov is awful. Dvorak's line was our most consistent and best tonight, along with Suzuki's, of course.

Yes to all of this. And, the thing is, I thought Monahan actually played well at center! And, I think we can get him going without disrupting the other two lines: give him Slaf and one of Heineman, Evan's, or Pitlick.

 

[Kimota]

Nah, he’s just weird.

He's the new space man!

 

[Kimota]

Finally to the question...who called Dvo hat trick? Well...the Habs Twitter did....lol

WTF is this picture? Only Caufield can make Dvorka smiles!

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Yes to all of this. And, the thing is, I thought Monahan actually played well at center! And, I think we can get him going without disrupting the other two lines: give him Slaf and one of Heineman, Evan's, or Pitlick.

It would be nice to take another look at Heineman if/when he's healthy. I think Pezzetta can be waived at this point to make room.

 

[HabsQC]

Brother, I have all the patience in the world to argue (especially while I'm on client-time) but there is no benefit to either of us to string this charade along. Bergevin does not need you to defend his legacy because he's gone now so his legacy can speak for itself.

If we establish a baseline level of results we should have expected, then any reasonable person would say Bergevin fell below that level overall.

So I don't see any benefit to giving credit for signing Tyler Toffoli because literally every team signs UFAs, so there is nothing noteworthy about a handful of successful mid-tier signings over the span of ten years. Yes Toffoli, Eddy, Chiarot were all good acquisitions, but Armstrong, Bouillon, Parros, Alzner, Streit, Hemsky, all those bad backup goalies, and a bunch of others were not good or impressive and didn't help the Habs at all... so in the end you'd see more negative than positive on the FA front. Net bad.

The Habs made the Cup Finals (and got pummelled in the finals, don't forget) but they didn't win a single playoff round in the preceding five years and following the Cup finals they had the worst season in Habs history. Is that a net positive or net negative for you?

I did not say anything about 'signing superstars' but he didn't develop any either. Ten years, not one PPG player. Some teams have 2+ PPG players per season, we didn't have a single PPG player in TEN years. He turned a 3OA into Galchenyuk into Domi into Josh Anderson the 30-40pt player. 9OA to Sergachev to J. Drouin the 40pt winger who's always injured. He turned another 3OA into Kotkaniemi into a mid-to-low 1st round pick, and gave up another 1st round pick to acquire 40-45pt Dvorak.

Therrien and then Julien as head coach. Lefebvre in the AHL for over half a decade...

And so on.

IMO you should let some fans rant about Bergevin... he does not need anybody to defend his legacy. His tenure is an unambiguous Loss and unambiguous negative and it's thankfully over.

I agree on the net bad part, but he did left us some good. I would never re-hire him nor do I think he should get another GM gig anytime soon, but I'm glad for the cup finals, Caufield, Suzuki, Guhle, Harris and I give hime credit for that. All I'm saying is he wasn't a 100% bad. He isn't close to Houle territory IMO.

 

[Gustave]

6 points in 9 games so far for Monahan.....if he keep it going, that trade might turn into pure gold considering we already have a 1st round pick in our pocket and gave up absolutely nothing.

Yeah, he is not done at all. In fact, he looks like he's got a shit ton in the tank. He plays a solid all around game, backchecks and supports the D a lot. I was under the impression that he didn't do a lot on the physical side of things but he gets in there, although not a punishing player to play against. If Dach is to become something, he needs to mold himself to what Monahan shows.

I'd trade him of course, but if they re-sign him, I'd get why. I like him a lot.

 

[rik schau]

It would be nice to take another look at Heineman if/when he's healthy. I think Pezzetta can be waived at this point to make room.

Pezz played eh? must have stepped out every time he was on the ice,didn't notice him at all except for that stumbling shift.

 

[Runner77]

Yeah... the relentless commercials for online betting are really getting to me. They're cheap and gimmicky, and I find it offensive. There must be a middle-ground between free expression and shamelessly exploiting an addiction.

They have gambling commercials happening during brief stoppages in play that don’t result in the usual commercial breaks — they happen so quickly and for such a short time that you don’t have time to flip away from them.

And listening to Quebec’s all sports franco station this week, they renamed their broadcasting studio after a gambling outfit, with their morning show host barking regularly how his show is coming from that newly baptized studio, which is nothing more that their old studio with another name.

Every source is being squeezed for gambling name recognition. Last week, I saw game highlights being posted as they happened, emanating from a gambling site Twitter account. I had to keep scrolling to find the same highlights from Matla or Drake, whose Twitter accounts have yet to be compromised.

 

[26Mats]

It would be nice to take another look at Heineman if/when he's healthy. I think Pezzetta can be waived at this point to make room.

I'd waive Dadonov, Drouin, or Hoffman before Pez personally.

Keep in mind, he was sitting for 8 games straight and doesn't have a ton of NHL experience to begin with. He was totally off to begin with. But he may be able to settle in. Ultimately, he brings some good things to the table. But if he can't cut down on the turnovers, which he also had a problem with last year, he clearly has no NHL future.

 

[FrankMTL]

WTF is this picture? Even Caufield make Dvorka smiles!

Christian Dvorak:

 

[dcyhabs]

His legacy will always be sitting on his hands and tinkering with the window dressing while wasting the prime of one of the best goalies we've ever seen.

His legacy will be random and directionless. An inspired move followed by a disaster that only TSN talking heads would have suggested. A pretty good offseason followed by one that could not have been worse. Bergevin wasn’t all bad but he had no direction and he went with stuff that you would hope the scouting department would filter as noise from the sports media.

Good moves like Domi, Toffoli, and the bigger D, terrible moves like Alzner, everything last offseason, the rearranging sixth Dmen when he should have gone for it while Price was peaking.

He was mediocre overall, definitely not excellent, so the habs should never have hired him or any of the other GMs since the last cup.

 

[Runner77]

Note that Harris didn't even want to sign with the Habs until Bergevin left.


You mean trading for Andreas Martinsen, Dwight King, and Steve Ott wasn't enough to push the low-scoring Habs over the edge?

You are correct about Harris, he wouldn’t have signed had Bergevin remained at the helm and given how prospects were handled at the time, who knows what other fallout there might have been: Canadiens: Jordan Harris Would've Walked If Bergevin Were In Charge

We know of at least another — Jordan Harris would forever have been known as « Josh »: Marc Bergevin didn't even call Jordan Harris by the right name

 

[teamfirst]

His legacy will always be sitting on his hands and tinkering with the window dressing while wasting the prime of one of the best goalies we've ever seen.

To me his legacy will always be, being hated around here for all the wrong reasons, let's face it we seem to have alot of promising young guy's on the team acquired or drafted under him

 

[Big Lurk]

If you want to see just how much Bergevin was responsible for picking Caufield

Well he deserves as much credit for every other draft pick. Or nah?

Its either or playboy.

You're Hypmapized with hatrad

 

[Junohockeyfan]

It's evident that Anderson was working on things in the off-season as he carrying the puck more with intent to do more than score but make plays,he's looking better.


And hair! lol.

MSL's game style fits Anderson. The "system" is based on moving the puck with speed. Josh winds up and the D try to hit him on the fly.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Savard with another huge game. St-Louis clearly targetting Ghule and it showed. I can't stand Hoffman. Get him away from our kids.

Envoye lé au garage!

I noticed the same against Guhle in the first and I saw he started shying away from the puck a couple times. I think something was said after the first cuz he started bringing the contact to THEM and found his game again

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

A reminder that it's a long season and playing on an early season high. Please don't start blasting the young players when they'll inevitably fumble.

 

[LigamaJohnson]

Boys looked great last night

 

[Tyson]

Brother, I have all the patience in the world to argue (especially while I'm on client-time) but there is no benefit to either of us to string this charade along. Bergevin does not need you to defend his legacy because he's gone now so his legacy can speak for itself.

If we establish a baseline level of results we should have expected, then any reasonable person would say Bergevin fell below that level overall.

So I don't see any benefit to giving credit for signing Tyler Toffoli because literally every team signs UFAs, so there is nothing noteworthy about a handful of successful mid-tier signings over the span of ten years. Yes Toffoli, Eddy, Chiarot were all good acquisitions, but Armstrong, Bouillon, Parros, Alzner, Streit, Hemsky, all those bad backup goalies, and a bunch of others were not good or impressive and didn't help the Habs at all... so in the end you'd see more negative than positive on the FA front. Net bad.

The Habs made the Cup Finals (and got pummelled in the finals, don't forget) but they didn't win a single playoff round in the preceding five years and following the Cup finals they had the worst season in Habs history. Is that a net positive or net negative for you?

I did not say anything about 'signing superstars' but he didn't develop any either. Ten years, not one PPG player. Some teams have 2+ PPG players per season, we didn't have a single PPG player in TEN years. He turned a 3OA into Galchenyuk into Domi into Josh Anderson the 30-40pt player. 9OA to Sergachev to J. Drouin the 40pt winger who's always injured. He turned another 3OA into Kotkaniemi into a mid-to-low 1st round pick, and gave up another 1st round pick to acquire 40-45pt Dvorak.

Therrien and then Julien as head coach. Lefebvre in the AHL for over half a decade...

And so on.

IMO you should let some fans rant about Bergevin... he does not need anybody to defend his legacy. His tenure is an unambiguous Loss and unambiguous negative and it's thankfully over.

Damn I wish I could articulate like this.

 

[rik schau]

MSL's game style fits Anderson. The "system" is based on moving the puck with speed. Josh winds up and the D try to hit him on the fly.

Not exactly a new thing,been doing that since forever,hit wingers with speed. One shift it was reminiscent of Guy when he took a slapper.

 

[Tyson]

I know Dvorak had the hat trick last night, but what a f***ing vanilla player. Every time he gets on the ice I tell myself it's time to go take a piss or grab something from the fridge.

I honestly don't see him with this team long term.

I know it's weird to post this after his hat trick, but I think they can get something of value for him at the trade deadline, do it. Especially if they can recoup that first rounder back.

MSL loves him and uses the heck out of him.
He is a vanilla player but last night he was instrumental in a very exciting win.