Nicklas Jensen

[ShouldveDraftedFiala]

People might not like it or consider it good enough but guys like Raymond are absolutely 2nd liners in this league...

Production-wise yes, but do you really want a small perimeter player that falls down every 5 seconds on your 2nd line? Especially in the playoffs?

I'm feeling a lot more comfortable with the prospects we have in our pipeline to fill out our 2nd and 3rd lines than I ever have. I'd much rather have a guy like Jensen on our 2nd than Raymond, that's for sure. Small sample size so far yes, but even if he can continue to put up half his production, at least he's a bigger body and can look dangerous skating into the slot without falling down.

 

[TacitEndorsement]

Production-wise yes, but do you really want a small perimeter player that falls down every 5 seconds on your 2nd line? Especially in the playoffs?

I'm feeling a lot more comfortable with the prospects we have in our pipeline to fill out our 2nd and 3rd lines than I ever have. I'd much rather have a guy like Jensen on our 2nd than Raymond, that's for sure. Small sample size so far yes, but even if he can continue to put up half his production, at least he's a bigger body and can look dangerous skating into the slot without falling down.

Yep. Raymond is a good player on a bad team, but a bad player on a good team.

 

[Tiranis]

Production-wise yes, but do you really want a small perimeter player that falls down every 5 seconds on your 2nd line? Especially in the playoffs?

I'm feeling a lot more comfortable with the prospects we have in our pipeline to fill out our 2nd and 3rd lines than I ever have. I'd much rather have a guy like Jensen on our 2nd than Raymond, that's for sure. Small sample size so far yes, but even if he can continue to put up half his production, at least he's a bigger body and can look dangerous skating into the slot without falling down.

I don't really want him back. I'm merely pointing out that whether people like it or not, guys like Raymond, Samuelsson, Demitra, etc. are legitimate 2nd liners. And average 2nd liners at worst, not just bottom of the pile ones. The claim I was responding to was that the only 2nd liner we had was Kesler.

That said, we should take this to another thread if we people want to have this conversation.

 

[Jake]

A bit off topic, but it's a curiosity. I was looking at Nick's dad, Dan Jensen's stats, and realized he had played 3 seasons against Jannik Hansen in the Danish league. Jannik was playing the mens league from age 15 to 18, when he was drafted. Dan Jensen retired that same year.

In fact, if Dan Jensen had taken another year, they would probably both have been on the National Team in 04-05.

Sources:
Dan Jensen
Jannik Hansen

 

[Zombotron]

A bit off topic, but it's a curiosity. I was looking at Nick's dad, Dan Jensen's stats, and realized he had played 3 seasons against Jannik Hansen in the Danish league. Jannik was playing the mens league from age 15 to 18, when he was drafted. Dan Jensen retired that same year.

In fact, if Dan Jensen had taken another year, they would probably both have been on the National Team in 04-05.

Sources:
Dan Jensen
Jannik Hansen

Awesome. It's like a six danegrees of separation-type thing going on.

 

[EA Sports GM]

Watched part of the game last night, thought Jensen was really good.

Was strong on the puck, battled hard against the boards, was good in positioning coming back. Helped create 2 chances in the short time I watched.

EDIT: By no means does this mean I'm buying into the 30/30 hype. But he's improved a lot as a young player since a disappointing AHL season last year.

 

[Proto]

Didn't Raymond have like 32 points in his first 45 games or something? Now he's at 43-ish in 72 games. Sounds like basically the classic Raymond season from the past 3-4 years. Start hot, then wear down and disappear.

I mean, contrasted to David Booth, at least he shows up before disppearing, I guess

Hopefully Jensen got all his disappearing out of the way for his career with that 50+ game stretch in 2013...

 

[QuietContrarian]

I still say he peaks out at 25/20 and has a few steady 20/20 seasons.

Why is that bad? I don't think it is for a late 1st.

 

[LeftCoast]

I still say he peaks out at 25/20 and has a few steady 20/20 seasons.

Why is that bad? I don't think it is for a late 1st.

Raymond was a late 2nd.

 

[QuietContrarian]

Raymond was a late 2nd.

Hansen was a 9th rounder...

Still, for the average late 1st, it ain't bad.

 

[pullyoursocksup]

I still say he peaks out at 25/20 and has a few steady 20/20 seasons.

Why is that bad? I don't think it is for a late 1st.

don't know how you would put him that low with what we have seen of him. He clearly has a great release, has great speed and there's no reason to think he wouldn't have a cap of 30 goals+ and 50+ points, doesn't mean he will, but saying his cap is 20-20 is definitely an overly conservative estimate.

 

[canuck4life16]

Jensen can score 30 goals perhaps one season of 40 goals I mean burrows got 30+

 

[Wilch]

Jensen can score 30 goals perhaps one season of 40 goals I mean burrows got 30+

No. Just no.

 

[NuxFan09]

No. Just no.

How do you know? A 2nd rounder like James Neal has been able to score 40 goals in this league just by having the same qualities as Jensen: a lethal shot and ability to consistently get into the scoring areas. It's early, but I see no reason to completely rule out the possibility of Jensen one day scoring 30-40 goals.

 

[25Bieksa3]

No. Just no.

Anson Carter potted 30+ with the Sedins. Anyone with the right linemate can have a crazy good season. If Jensen sticks with the Sedins in a full 82 game schedule and injuries are kept to a minimum you have to admit he'd be able to produce more than Anson frickin' Carter.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Jensen can score 30 goals perhaps one season of 40 goals I mean burrows got 30+

Burrows is probably the best linemate the Sedins have ever had. Those are lofty expectations. I could see 30 being within the realm of possibility somewhere down the road, but 40 is a bit optimistic to say the least.

 

[bsjezz]

No. Just no.

what are you basing this assumption on? out of the 30-goal scorers so far this year, 7 - more than half - were drafted outside of the top 20. goal scoring talent is not determined at the draft, and numbers are very contextually sensitive coughkunitz. will Jensen be a league leading scorer? probably not. is there any reason he cannot possibly be?

no.

edit: incidentally, jensen has the 5th highest goals per 60 for all skaters with more than 5 games played!

stats are fun.

 

[Wilch]

How do you know? A 2nd rounder like James Neal has been able to score 40 goals in this league just by having the same qualities as Jensen: a lethal shot and ability to consistently get into the scoring areas. It's early, but I see no reason to completely rule out the possibility of Jensen one day scoring 30-40 goals.

I didn't rule it out.

I was responding to a poster who is blithely optimistic about everything and anything Canuck, consistently setting unrealistically high benchmarks for prospects and players.

Jensen may score 40 one day is like saying Horvat and Shinkaruk may score 40 one day. It's also like saying time travel or faster-than-light travel is on the horizon.

It's all in the realm of possibility, but it's silly to make such suggestions when he only scored a grand total of 3 goals in the big deal, while not yet exhibiting attributes of a 40+ goal scorer. Hell, he doesn't even look like a 30-35 goal scorer at the moment. That's not to say it's impossible, but anything beyond 30 goals would require exponential and unprecedented growth by Jensen.

 

[deckercky]

Anson Carter potted 30+ with the Sedins. Anyone with the right linemate can have a crazy good season. If Jensen sticks with the Sedins in a full 82 game schedule and injuries are kept to a minimum you have to admit he'd be able to produce more than Anson frickin' Carter.

Anson Carter was once good enough that he was the main piece traded for Jagr (Carter for Jagr at 1/2 price in fact!).

 

[Type Not Specified]

I don't know why anyone would think 30-40 goals would be a stretch. He quite clearly has the skills and smarts to be a consistent 30-35 goal scorer and perhaps hit 40 in a career year. Nobody knows yet if he will, but I think that's a reasonable projection.

If he plays on the right team with the right linemates, he could be around 40 goals consistently for his prime years. That would probably be the upper limit of his potential... many players never reach their full potential but some do.

 

[Wetcoaster]

I didn't rule it out.

I was responding to a poster who is blithely optimistic about everything and anything Canuck, consistently setting unrealistically high benchmarks for prospects and players.

Jensen may score 40 one day is like saying Horvat and Shinkaruk may score 40 one day. It's also like saying time travel or faster-than-light travel is on the horizon.

It's all in the realm of possibility, but it's silly to make such suggestions when he only scored a grand total of 3 goals in the big deal, while not yet exhibiting attributes of a 40+ goal scorer. Hell, he doesn't even look like a 30-35 goal scorer at the moment. That's not to say it's impossible, but anything beyond 30 goals would require exponential and unprecedented growth by Jensen.

You do realize that Jensen is just completing the first year of his ELC do you not?

 

[RobertKron]

Anson Carter was once good enough that he was the main piece traded for Jagr (Carter for Jagr at 1/2 price in fact!).

IIRC, Jagr was seen as a selfish pouter at the time, and was making like 11mil/yr. The Caps had to pay half his salary to get anyone to take him. That trade wasn't about Carter.

 

[Wilch]

It's a stretch because he's hot right now.

If you are aware of his Grabner-like cold streaks, then 25-30 goals in a more realistic projection.

My opinions of his project will change depending on how much he improves during the off-season.

If he can add new skills to his offensive arsenal, improve on his current skills, skating, and/or get stronger, then it becomes more realistic to say "perhaps we have a 30-35 goal scorer in the making".

In the mean time, he is what he is; a hot rookie riding shotgun with Henrik.

 

[bsjezz]

It's also like saying time travel or faster-than-light travel is on the horizon.

It's all in the realm of possibility

never really did too well in physics class, did you

 

[Win One Before I Die]

Haha already projecting him to be a 30-40 goal scorer?