Yeah I mean, I never meant to imply the IOC are the angels here. They're all a bunch of greedy f***s. But if they would have put their egos aside and figured out a way to make things work they would have got a whole lot more in return than monetary kickbacks in the long run. It was a missed opportunity.
NHL is damaging its reputation with useless ASG and missing Olympics
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Yeah I mean, I never meant to imply the IOC are the angels here. They're all a bunch of greedy f***s. But if they would have put their egos aside and figured out a way to make things work they would have got a whole lot more in return than monetary kickbacks in the long run. It was a missed opportunity.
Gormo
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What? The adults have to attend all star games if their kids are going to be there don't they? (Which makes it essentially like any other exhibition, regular season or playoff game really)
Do you mean television? Are 5 to 10 year olds circling the date on their calendar and devotedly watching the ASG on their own or on play dates?
Sorry, its just just whole the ASG is for kids thing never added up to me.
Chimpradamus
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Ah, yes, only rich aristocrats, oligarchs, moguls and sheiks should be able to participate. Oh the horror that someone actually good at the sport can live off it. The early 1800s called, things have changed.
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I think a bunch of star players in one place for fans to interact with is good.
The games are boring. The women wasn't too bad.
Didn't see the skills competition.
The games are boring. The women wasn't too bad.
Didn't see the skills competition.
geisterpanthers
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It's a misconception that a lot die hard hockey fans fall into. Like, yea of course we dont care abt the ASG but hell it doesnt matter, kids love it. This idea has established itself but in fact many young hockey fans aren't more into (or not) than your average hockey fan
With no infrastructure half a world away and which will NEVER ever host a NHL team.
Hazzah!
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Hey, we agree that Darren McCarty and Def Leppard both suck. But then again, I think all modern "entertainment" sucks anyway.
In the eyes of people who are already fans? Sure. Will they stop watching the NHL? No. If they do go will it grow the game in China? Probably not by any noticeable amount.
I would like the NHL players to go to the Olympics. But to grow the game you need to have it be relevant to people where you want to grow it. You need a local league that can grow in popularity. You need players good enough to make it to the NHL and become stars. And in some cases you'll need star players who look like the people you're trying to target.
It can't be show up for a couple of weeks and leave... that's not going to make a large number of Chinese people fans of hockey.
Ultimately the biggest barriers is hockey being a winter sport and the price it costs to play hockey even at low levels. Neither one is about to change any time soon.
I would like the NHL players to go to the Olympics. But to grow the game you need to have it be relevant to people where you want to grow it. You need a local league that can grow in popularity. You need players good enough to make it to the NHL and become stars. And in some cases you'll need star players who look like the people you're trying to target.
It can't be show up for a couple of weeks and leave... that's not going to make a large number of Chinese people fans of hockey.
Ultimately the biggest barriers is hockey being a winter sport and the price it costs to play hockey even at low levels. Neither one is about to change any time soon.
Rob
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Then why does the NBA have games there?
Besides.... China has a KHL team..... and LOTS of TVs/eyeballs, if you bring them the best players in the world, it might spike a long term interest.
Pros = more viewers = more money
"Amateurs" is a stretch. What about all the state sponsored athletes from the Eastern Bloc during the Cold War? I wouldn't call them amateurs. They were paid to train all the time.
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China already has more viewers for NHL playoff games than US & Canada combined.
Stanley Cup fever translates well in China | The Star
This said there is still plenty of opportunities to grow further.
Beukeboom Fan
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Agree on the All-Star game, but there's no evidence that Olympic participation helps the NHL. And that's after 20 years.
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Some of my favorite memories as a kid was playing knee hockey in my room while watching the All-Star skills comp and game. The festivities don't speak to me anymore but not because the product is worse. It has always been and always will be for the kids.
HisIceness
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Frankly what the NHL needs to do for next years All-Star Game is revive The Guardian Project from its 10-year hiatus. The Jets, Golden Knights, and the Seattle team need their own superheroes.
The logistics of having a team in Europe are untenable. Now go to China.
It is not going to happen. Ever.
If this passes you off, tough.
Damn. Those figures are making me rethink Bettman’s decision to pull out of 2022
Suck it up and take one for the team in China, then tell the IOC to bug-off after that.
Voight
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NO FRIGGIN WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obviously China will never have an NHL team but that does not mean the NHL should completely ignore it & forget about growing the game. NBA will never have a team there either but they doe exhibition games so they can make a ton of money and grow the sport.
Johnny Rifle
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The NBA in China was largely spurred on by Yao Ming more than international competition. In the unlikely event of a Chinese player succeeding in the NHL at an All-Star level, you would see more growth in that market than NHL players in the Olympics.
How many basketball courts in China?
Is there a national basketball team? Are there domestic basketball leagues?
What about hockey? How many sheets? If the Chinese national team plays Canada how do you think this goes?
The best the NHL can do is to be a symbol of the West ( for apparel) which has little to do with the game and you are fighting the next shiny bauble to come along.
And as l'affair Money has demonstrated, the popularity of the NBA in China is fleeting at best and can be killed by the decision of one high level government worker should someone, anyone, say something they don't like.
The KHL team might stick but it is much much closer.
If they want to throw China a bone and have an exhibition game of two, great. But that's probably the end of it.
True but it doesn't bother me. It's called living by your ethos which in my case has always been "if you talk the talk, you better walk the walk".
So getting the best professional players for free, forever, is part of your ethos?
Does it bother you that they did this for 20 years straight? With no benefit other than enriching one of the most corrupt organizations on the plant.
Tying your ethos on principle to the IOC is, at best, illogical.
At worst? I will leave that to you.
Screw the Ioc.
Beukeboom Fan
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The players are the product, and you don't risk your best product, and pay $20+M in insurance to get no quantifiable benefit, except "growing the game" when there hasn't been any correlation to the Olympics actually creating new fans.
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