Prospect Info: NHL Entry Draft Discussion Thread - Looking Ahead to 2020

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Nithoniniel

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If you use anomalies and outliers as your reference, you aren't conducting any scientific method, just biased opinion.

The overwhelming majority of players are much larger
Well if you are using the larger sample, there were actually some interesting discussions and data shown this playoff on how small players fare in the playoffs compared to how good they are normally, and then did the same for a similar range of large players. Turned out that both groups were virtually equal in that regard, both seeing a slight decline in performance. So if you actually isolate the factor and measure it, the results are not statistically significant.

Yes, most players are larger. Size, and the advantages it brings, is a tool, and we are talking about the best league in the world. If you set a generalized baseline and look at skating, most players in this league are great. If you do that and look at shooting, most players can rip it. That doesn't mean that a player without great skating or a strong shot can't be effective, it just means they have to make up for that elsewhere. Same with size. And in all these cases, the only thing that really matters is the sum of what they can provide. Therefor, it only makes sense to look at that sum for judgement and not just individual parts.

What I mean with that is that I don't understand how we can waste so much time talking about size in a vacuum instead of asking ourselves if someone like Robertson was the best guy available despite his size. And given what kind of prospect he is, I'd venture to say that he is.
 

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Again, if you were referencing Kucherov, he's listed at 5'11". Also again, I'd put money that most NHL heights are off by as much as two inches. That's based on standing beside many of them and knowing my own height.

They are supposed to take their skates off before being measured ...

After riding an elevator with one a few times I realized I was about 2 inches taller than I thought and my kids were giants.
 
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They are supposed to take their skates off before being measured ...

After riding an elevator with one a few times I realized I was about 2 inches taller than I thought and my kids were giants.

I have always wondered if their heights are "in skates" because I can say of the many I have met, most are easily 2 inches shorter than what is listed. Domi, Valeri Bure, Mike Foligno.....I could list several. Ken Belanger....his I believe but he's one of the few.
 

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If you use anomalies and outliers as your reference, you aren't conducting any scientific method, just biased opinion.

The overwhelming majority of players are much larger

Attitudes change overtime and with that leads to changes in drafting and development.

The majority of NHLers were drafted several years ago when smaller sized guys would never have been given a chance. Now, especially over the last 3 or 4 draft cycles we've seen smaller guys get taken in greater numbers and also even in the first round.

As time goes in and these guys develop into players those "outlier" examples will seem less and less as such.
 

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I was looking at some clips of Kravtsov from the Rangers camp. Dear god! This guy is unreal! I'm scared of the future Rangers. Kravtsov, Kakko, Miller, Trouba, and Shestyorkin.
 

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Smaller players that can skate are harder to hit. Smaller players have their advantages too. They're harder to catch. Look at the fits that Ennis and Moore were giving Chara in the playoffs. Both those guys also put him on his a** a couple times too.

You also said get with the times. You do realize that the league is trending towards smaller and faster players right? Look around the league. There is more guys coming in under 6 feet on each team every year.
 

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You you know what's great about this deal the Leags added a top pair F man at 50% retained salary, AND atop 9 forward without trading Lilherjen, Sandin, Bracco or the 2021 1st

They got EXACTLY what they ended and didn't have to empty the cupboard to do it

This is the perfect trade
 

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2020 Draft related: So far we have 10 picks from 8 different teams :laugh:
 
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2020 Draft related: So far we have 10 picks from 8 different teams :laugh:

Is there anything in the CBA that would allow us to use those picks to offer-sheet 2 RFA's at a 50% discount, like a cheat-code or something? :sarcasm:
 

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Is there anything in the CBA that would allow us to use those picks to offer-sheet 2 RFA's at a 50% discount, like a cheat-code or something? :sarcasm:

No, but if we can get every 6th or 7th rounder in next year's draft we may win some steak knives, or a decorative mug of some sort :sarcasm:
 
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No, but if we can get every 6th or 7th rounder in next year's draft we may win some steak knives, or a decorative mug of some sort :sarcasm:

Like the "Welcome to the NHL" Seattle expansion mug of some sort? :sarcasm:
 
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A few days ago on the main prospect board they were talking about Tyrel Bauer from the Seattle Thunderbirds. Does anyone have any scouting info on him for next year?
Maybe he's too big for us?
 

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Top 45 Undrafted Guys from 2019 to start my 2020 draft board. I'll take 5 suggestions to make it an even 50 if people have some insights. I didn't necessarily make it the "best" players, but guys I feel were either the best of the bunch or flew under the radar enough that they may seriously come out of no where.

Valeri Orekhov Defenseman Left July 7 1999 6'1" 190 Astana RUSSIA
Jeremie Bucheler Defenseman Right March 3 2000 6'4" 181 Northeastern NCAA
Nikita Rtishchev Right Wing Left May 5 2000 6'1" 192 Moskva RUSSIA
Janis Moser Defenseman Left June 6 2000 6'0" 157 Biel-Bienne SWISS
Parker Ford Center Right July 7 2000 6'0" 176 Providence NCAA
Justin Bergeron Defenseman Left September 9 2000 6'1" 181 Rouyn-Noranda QMJHL
Patrick Keegan Defenseman Left November 11 2000 6'3" 231 Wisconsin NCAA
Danil Antropov Right Wing Right December 12 2000 6'2" 190 Oshawa OHL
Christopher Merisier-Ortiz Defenseman Left January 1 2001 5'11" 165 Baie-Comeau QMJHL
Logan Barlage Center Right January 1 2001 6'4" 201 Lethbridge WHL
Robert Griffin Center Right January 1 2001 6'0" 168 New Hampshire NCAA
Grant Silianoff Right Wing Left January 1 2001 5'11" 170 Notre Dame NCAA
Oleg Zaitsev Center Left January 1 2001 6'1" 185 Red Deer WHL
Nolan Maier Goalie Left January 1 2001 6'0" 170 Saskatoon WHL
Zachary Okabe Right Wing Right January 1 2001 5'9" 168 St. Cloud State NCAA
Ondrej Psenicka Left Wing Left January 1 2001 6'5" 190 Waterloo USHL
Nino Kinder Center Left February 2 2001 6'0" 163 Berlin GERMANY
Yevgeni Oksentyuk Right Wing/Left Wing Left February 2 2001 5'7" 154 Flint OHL
Cody Morgan Center Right February 2 2001 5'11" 187 Flint OHL
Ryan Siedem Defenseman Right February 2 2001 6'2" 187 Harvard NCAA
Taylor Gauthier Goalie Right February 2 2001 6'2" 190 Prince George WHL
Derek Mullahy Goalie Left March 3 2001 6'1" 176 Dexter USHS-MA
Josh Williams Right Wing Right March 3 2001 6'1" 185 Edmonton WHL
Emmett Sproule Center Left March 3 2001 5'10" 168 Erie OHL
Billy Constantinou Defenseman Right March 3 2001 6'0" 185 Kingston OHL
Filip Prikryl Center Left April 4 2001 6'1" 170 Plzen CZECH
Camaryn Baber Center Right April 4 2001 5'11" 181 Saginaw OHL
Luke Toporowski Left Wing Left April 4 2001 5'10" 179 Spokane WHL
Xavier Simoneau Center Left May 5 2001 5'7" 172 Drummondville QMJHL
Mathieu Bizier Center Left May 5 2001 6'1" 187 Gatineau QMJHL
Zachary Uens Defenseman Left May 5 2001 6'1" 174 Merrimack NCAA
Liam Ross Defenseman Left May 5 2001 6'2" 198 Sudbury OHL
Connor Horning Defenseman Right May 5 2001 6'3" 198 Swift Current WHL
Iivari Rasanen Defenseman Left May 5 2001 6'0" 194 Tappara U20 FINLAND-JR.
Jackson van de Leest Defenseman Left June 6 2001 6'6" 223 Calgary WHL
Michael Gildon Left Wing Left June 6 2001 6'1" 194 Ohio State NCAA
Ethan Leyh Center/Left Wing Left June 6 2001 5'10" 154 Quinnipiac NCAA
Cole Mackay Right Wing Right June 6 2001 5'11" 185 Sault Ste. Marie OHL
Ben McCartney Left Wing Left July 7 2001 6'0" 185 Brandon WHL
Garrett Pinoniemi Center Left July 7 2001 6'0" 148 Holy Family USHS-MN
Roman Basran Goalie Left July 7 2001 6'1" 172 Kelowna WHL
Austen Swankler Center Left August 8 2001 6'0" 183 Erie OHL
Martin Lang Left Wing Right September 9 2001 5'10" 172 Kamloops WHL
Simon Gnyp Defenseman Left September 9 2001 5'11" 179 Koln GERMANY
 

SeaOfBlue

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Top 45 Undrafted Guys from 2019 to start my 2020 draft board. I'll take 5 suggestions to make it an even 50 if people have some insights. I didn't necessarily make it the "best" players, but guys I feel were either the best of the bunch or flew under the radar enough that they may seriously come out of no where.

Valeri Orekhov Defenseman Left July 7 1999 6'1" 190 Astana RUSSIA
Jeremie Bucheler Defenseman Right March 3 2000 6'4" 181 Northeastern NCAA
Nikita Rtishchev Right Wing Left May 5 2000 6'1" 192 Moskva RUSSIA
Janis Moser Defenseman Left June 6 2000 6'0" 157 Biel-Bienne SWISS
Parker Ford Center Right July 7 2000 6'0" 176 Providence NCAA
Justin Bergeron Defenseman Left September 9 2000 6'1" 181 Rouyn-Noranda QMJHL
Patrick Keegan Defenseman Left November 11 2000 6'3" 231 Wisconsin NCAA
Danil Antropov Right Wing Right December 12 2000 6'2" 190 Oshawa OHL
Christopher Merisier-Ortiz Defenseman Left January 1 2001 5'11" 165 Baie-Comeau QMJHL
Logan Barlage Center Right January 1 2001 6'4" 201 Lethbridge WHL
Robert Griffin Center Right January 1 2001 6'0" 168 New Hampshire NCAA
Grant Silianoff Right Wing Left January 1 2001 5'11" 170 Notre Dame NCAA
Oleg Zaitsev Center Left January 1 2001 6'1" 185 Red Deer WHL
Nolan Maier Goalie Left January 1 2001 6'0" 170 Saskatoon WHL
Zachary Okabe Right Wing Right January 1 2001 5'9" 168 St. Cloud State NCAA
Ondrej Psenicka Left Wing Left January 1 2001 6'5" 190 Waterloo USHL
Nino Kinder Center Left February 2 2001 6'0" 163 Berlin GERMANY
Yevgeni Oksentyuk Right Wing/Left Wing Left February 2 2001 5'7" 154 Flint OHL
Cody Morgan Center Right February 2 2001 5'11" 187 Flint OHL
Ryan Siedem Defenseman Right February 2 2001 6'2" 187 Harvard NCAA
Taylor Gauthier Goalie Right February 2 2001 6'2" 190 Prince George WHL
Derek Mullahy Goalie Left March 3 2001 6'1" 176 Dexter USHS-MA
Josh Williams Right Wing Right March 3 2001 6'1" 185 Edmonton WHL
Emmett Sproule Center Left March 3 2001 5'10" 168 Erie OHL
Billy Constantinou Defenseman Right March 3 2001 6'0" 185 Kingston OHL
Filip Prikryl Center Left April 4 2001 6'1" 170 Plzen CZECH
Camaryn Baber Center Right April 4 2001 5'11" 181 Saginaw OHL
Luke Toporowski Left Wing Left April 4 2001 5'10" 179 Spokane WHL
Xavier Simoneau Center Left May 5 2001 5'7" 172 Drummondville QMJHL
Mathieu Bizier Center Left May 5 2001 6'1" 187 Gatineau QMJHL
Zachary Uens Defenseman Left May 5 2001 6'1" 174 Merrimack NCAA
Liam Ross Defenseman Left May 5 2001 6'2" 198 Sudbury OHL
Connor Horning Defenseman Right May 5 2001 6'3" 198 Swift Current WHL
Iivari Rasanen Defenseman Left May 5 2001 6'0" 194 Tappara U20 FINLAND-JR.
Jackson van de Leest Defenseman Left June 6 2001 6'6" 223 Calgary WHL
Michael Gildon Left Wing Left June 6 2001 6'1" 194 Ohio State NCAA
Ethan Leyh Center/Left Wing Left June 6 2001 5'10" 154 Quinnipiac NCAA
Cole Mackay Right Wing Right June 6 2001 5'11" 185 Sault Ste. Marie OHL
Ben McCartney Left Wing Left July 7 2001 6'0" 185 Brandon WHL
Garrett Pinoniemi Center Left July 7 2001 6'0" 148 Holy Family USHS-MN
Roman Basran Goalie Left July 7 2001 6'1" 172 Kelowna WHL
Austen Swankler Center Left August 8 2001 6'0" 183 Erie OHL
Martin Lang Left Wing Right September 9 2001 5'10" 172 Kamloops WHL
Simon Gnyp Defenseman Left September 9 2001 5'11" 179 Koln GERMANY

Valeri Orekhov at eliteprospects.com
Jérémie Bucheler at eliteprospects.com
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/395142/nikita-rtishchev
Janis Jérôme Moser at eliteprospects.com
Parker Ford at eliteprospects.com
Justin Bergeron at eliteprospects.com
Patrick Keegan at eliteprospects.com
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/355486/danil-antropov
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/296699/christopher-merisier-ortiz
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/286608/logan-barlage
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/386334/robert-griffin
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/318345/grant-silianoff
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/512907/oleg-zaitsev
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/351942/nolan-maier
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/337754/zachary-okabe
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/363483/ondrej-psenicka
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/277620/nino-kinder
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/517437/yevgeni-oksentyuk
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/438096/cody-morgan
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/445603/ryan-siedem
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/322108/taylor-gauthier
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/385686/derek-mullahy
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/337743/josh-williams
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/424401/emmett-sproule
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/418068/billy-constantinou
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/348181/filip-prikryl
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/335220/camaryn-baber
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/315967/luke-toporowski
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/376443/xavier-simoneau
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/410615/mathieu-bizier
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/424330/zach-uens
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/418057/liam-ross
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/407565/connor-horning
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/355653/iivari-rasanen
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/407592/jackson-van-de-leest
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/350055/michael-gildon
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/407590/ethan-leyh
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/360061/cole-mackay
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/351230/ben-mccartney
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/496757/garrett-pinoniemi
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/351603/roman-basran
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/298560/austen-swankler
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/348183/martin-lang
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/322019/simon-gnyp
 
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They are supposed to take their skates off before being measured ...

After riding an elevator with one a few times I realized I was about 2 inches taller than I thought and my kids were giants.
Yeah, i had lunch and played pool with Wendel once. Man, at 5'11" I felt like a giant, until I looked at his wrists, and then I felt like a child......
 

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11 picks in the next draft, and we are a team who is contending.
Thats pretty amazing. I think there are more picks coming.
 

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Hopefully, the Leafs don't have worry about their 1st rounder.. since that means they're a playoff team.
 

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Hockey Prospect publically released there 2020 list from the Black Book today. For those curious here.

 

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From what I've read and watched so far, I really like Tyler Kleven (Vlasic type D) and C Jan Mysak. Those might be available in the late 1st early second. Kleven especially could be Even on our pick available. (I know too soon to say)
 

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From what I've read and watched so far, I really like Tyler Kleven (Vlasic type D) and C Jan Mysak. Those might be available in the late 1st early second. Kleven especially could be Even on our pick available. (I know too soon to say)

A lot of the places I have seen have Klevin in the 20's and Mysak in the early-mid 2nd. Mysak seems like a better bet to fall, but most likely neither do at this point.
 

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From what I've read and watched so far, I really like Tyler Kleven (Vlasic type D) and C Jan Mysak. Those might be available in the late 1st early second. Kleven especially could be Even on our pick available. (I know too soon to say)

A lot of the places I have seen have Klevin in the 20's and Mysak in the early-mid 2nd. Mysak seems like a better bet to fall, but most likely neither do at this point.
It is way way way too early to start reading into who might be available in the 2nd round. These are really preliminary lists. By November we will already have seen pretty sizable movement. At this time last year, we were talking about Cajkovic in the top 10. A bad Hlinka and a sub-par start to the year and he's free-falling. Similar stuff happened to Blake Murray and Nussbaumer although they weren't held as high regard. On the opposite side, you got someone like Broberg who was a day 2 pick, then had a Hlinka and kept that moment, or an even more extreme example, no one really knew Ryan Johnson who ended up going 31st.

Really, just from years of following the draft process. It is nice to look at these early lists, and then try to see who you like at Hlinka. But, past the top 10 picks or so, until January/February it is all about getting the lay of the land. Even after that, you can see sizable shifts, but there is a lot more predictability on who to focus on in certain ranges.
 
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