News Article: News and Notes XXXIV - is it time for us to make panic trades yet?

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CandyCanes

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Doubt Hamilton would do it. But I'd rather do a higher $ deal for a 5, maybe 6 year contract. High $ 8 year deals that take you to age 36 as a defensemen scare me, that's bound to turn into a bad contract 4-6 years in.

$8.8M for Hamilton at 5 years?
 
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The key with long contracts for the older players is not to lock yourself into too many. Or have them staggered so you start one that will look bad towards the end of the other that might already be looking bad. We don't really have any other players that are older that we are in danger of locking up too long, so we could handle it with Dougie. You also hope that in 5 years when it might not be looking as good that the league and world are back on track and has a lot of revenue growth and it feels more like a $6-7 million deal then. You also hope the many prospects we've invested in are hitting right around that time at cheap rates as well.
 

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The key with long contracts for the older players is not to lock yourself into too many. Or have them staggered so you start one that will look bad towards the end of the other that might already be looking bad. We don't really have any other players that are older that we are in danger of locking up too long, so we could handle it with Dougie. You also hope that in 5 years when it might not be looking as good that the league and world are back on track and has a lot of revenue growth and it feels more like a $6-7 million deal then. You also hope the many prospects we've invested in are hitting right around that time at cheap rates as well.
So San Jose and Chicago aren’t in good shape? :sarcasm:
 

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IIRC that is exactly what they wanted to do with Aho.
there were reports of that, sure. correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they were looking to do that at a much lower number than where Aho ended up. which is part of why I think it won't get done like that.
 

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there were reports of that, sure. correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they were looking to do that at a much lower number than where Aho ended up. which is part of why I think it won't get done like that.
Both accurate points. IIRC the offer we had to Aho was in the 8x8 range

Every I can see us trying to get on an 8 year deal.

Hamilton I'm guessing we're offering 5 and will probably meet in the middle at 6
 
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vorbis

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Both accurate points. IIRC the offer we had to Aho was in the 8x8 range

Every I can see us trying to get on an 8 year deal.

Hamilton I'm guessing we're offering 5 and will probably meet in the middle at 6
I've been poking around for a report just now and have to stop looking before I waste way too much time, but best I could see is a deleted tweet saying the Canes offered max term (8yrs) @ $6M. which is comically below his market value and given the track record of Carolina's negotiating tactics, probably essentially a "I dare you to get an offer sheet" type offer. but all in all they had to know there was no way Aho was going to accept that offer.
 

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I've been poking around for a report just now and have to stop looking before I waste way too much time, but best I could see is a deleted tweet saying the Canes offered max term (8yrs) @ $6M. which is comically below his market value and given the track record of Carolina's negotiating tactics, probably essentially a "I dare you to get an offer sheet" type offer. but all in all they had to know there was no way Aho was going to accept that offer.
Except in this case it would be "I dare you to hit the open market as a UFA and leave us for nothing"

Which is why I can see Dougie being traded before that can happen.
 
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DaveG

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I've been poking around for a report just now and have to stop looking before I waste way too much time, but best I could see is a deleted tweet saying the Canes offered max term (8yrs) @ $6M. which is comically below his market value and given the track record of Carolina's negotiating tactics, probably essentially a "I dare you to get an offer sheet" type offer. but all in all they had to know there was no way Aho was going to accept that offer.
I thought it was higher than that but you're probably right since I do remember thinking they were way off with the valuation.
 

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Shane Willis will interview Mike Maniscalco about his new role. Then Mike Maniscalco will interview Shane Willis about fun Canes memories. Then Stormy will drop by for some “surprise” hijinks.

Then they’ll look at the clock at it’s 7:10 and they’ll both start visibly sweating.

Then a cut to a 40-minute "RB'A Boot Camp" workout, where Rod will discuss the teams prospects for '21 and also how you too can take inches off your waist in less than an hour a day.
 

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Doubt Hamilton would do it. But I'd rather do a higher $ deal for a 5, maybe 6 year contract. High $ 8 year deals that take you to age 36 as a defensemen scare me, that's bound to turn into a bad contract 4-6 years in.

$8.8M for Hamilton at 5 years?

On the other hand if Dougie stays elite up to that point and is making $7.8M/yr while other top defensemen are making $10M+ that bargain would go a long way to keeping our window as contenders open 4-5+ years down the road. Obviously that is a decent sized what if -- both Dougie playing at a high level for an extended period of time and the league rebounding enough from COVID for D contracts to get to that point.
 

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Bad news everyone, in the draft lottery thread on the main board it appears that we are one of the teams being kept afloat by the likes of the Leafs and Habs. This also means that we will have to reward these teams in the draft lottery because they are the "hand that feeds us". Damn :(
 

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Bad news everyone, in the draft lottery thread on the main board it appears that we are one of the teams being kept afloat by the likes of the Leafs and Habs. This also means that we will have to reward these teams in the draft lottery because they are the "hand that feeds us". Damn :(

Taking Seth Jarvis for Patrick Marleau was a down payment. They can expect annual returns.
 

Bub

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Bad news everyone, in the draft lottery thread on the main board it appears that we are one of the teams being kept afloat by the likes of the Leafs and Habs. This also means that we will have to reward these teams in the draft lottery because they are the "hand that feeds us". Damn :(

Well I guess that explains the whole David Ayres thing.
 

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I'm just going to say. If we have to see the Svech & Dougie friendship die, it will be truly heartbreaking to see.

Dougie is hard to get a read on...I mean...you don't exactly expect a guy called Dougie to be a fierce negotiator. He seems like a guy who on the outside enjoys the area and has some good friends here after being an outsider....is that enough for him to take a friendieish deal or does he chase the money to go back to being a black sheep in a market where the media is much harder on him?
 

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This offseason got really boring really quickly...SOMEONE DO SOMETHING*... :sarcasm:








*so long as that something either doesn't involve the Canes or is a good something such as Svech/Dougie extensions or a 1 year deal for Hoffman or something along those lines
 

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This offseason got really boring really quickly...SOMEONE DO SOMETHING*... :sarcasm:








*so long as that something either doesn't involve the Canes or is a good something such as Svech/Dougie extensions or a 1 year deal for Hoffman or something along those lines

I think we are waiting on arbitration hearings. Folks will know who costs what and the 2nd half of FA can start.
 

Navin R Slavin

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Dougie is hard to get a read on...I mean...you don't exactly expect a guy called Dougie to be a fierce negotiator. He seems like a guy who on the outside enjoys the area and has some good friends here after being an outsider....is that enough for him to take a friendieish deal or does he chase the money to go back to being a black sheep in a market where the media is much harder on him?

I kinda don't get the sense that anyone has ever loved Dougie in his NHL career, and here, the fans love him. That's got to be worth a dollar amount. How much, exactly? Hard to say.

Also, agents don't get paid 10% of the fans' love, so there's that.
 

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Listened to Rod on the Maniscalco/Smith podcast last night. Nothing earth shattering, but he mentioned a couple of times that he did not want to have much change to the roster this year for a few reasons. Now, coaches often say that but Rod gave some of his insight why. Some of it is direct quotes, some of it is me reading between the lines.

First, he said he felt the team needed to grow together to improve. He felt they could improve just by growing together and learning "together" how to take a punch to the guy and remember what it feels like next time. Secondly, he mentioned that some players just had bad seasons, but it doesn't mean they are bad players. I felt he was specifically talking about Nino, but maybe McGinn as well. I didn't feel he meant new guys like Gardiner and Dzingel.

Lastly, and something I didn't really consider, he said this season was a big unknown, but he expects it's probably going to be shortened season with games packed in tight together and probably with a shortened training camp. He said the team can't afford to have a bunch of change-over because they need to hit the ground running at the start of the season. There is no time for the team to learn how to gel and play together with a shortened camp/season.

Maybe we'll still see some smaller moves or adds like a Hoffman if it's a bargain, but I don't think guys like Nino will be moving. Who knows though. He also said because of the packed in schedule, both goalies are going to be relied upon heavily.
 
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Listened to Rod on the Maniscalco/Smith podcast last night. Nothing earth shattering, but he mentioned a couple of times that he did not want to have much change to the roster this year for a few reasons. Now, coaches often say that but Rod gave some of his insight why. Some of it is direct quotes, some of it is me reading between the lines.

First, he said he felt the team needed to grow together to improve. He felt they could improve just by growing together and learning "together" how to take a punch to the guy and remember what it feels like next time. Secondly, he mentioned that some players just had bad seasons, but it doesn't mean they are bad players. I felt he was specifically talking about Nino, but maybe McGinn as well. I didn't feel he meant new guys like Gardiner and Dzingel.

Lastly, and something I didn't really consider, he said this season was a big unknown, but he expects it's probably going to be shortened season with games packed in tight together and probably with a shortened training camp. He said the team can't afford to have a bunch of change-over because they need to hit the ground running at the start of the season. There is no time for the team to learn how to gel and play together with a shortened camp/season.

Maybe we'll still see some smaller moves or adds like a Hoffman if it's a bargain, but I don't think guys like Nino will be moving. Who knows though. He also said because of the packed in schedule, both goalies are going to be relied upon heavily.

I listened to that last night as well.

Yeah, it does sound like RBA wants his team makeup left alone. I’m not sure I heard the same thing as far as which players need to step up and which don’t, but I think your assumptions are probably spot on. If 18-19 regular season Niederreiter shows up, there’s no need for a guy like Hoffman. (I also think Dzingel has a lot more to give and hope they give him another, decent shot at top 9 minutes, but after the playoffs this year, who knows).

However, I think if the braintrust could engineer a way to bring Hoffman in at the expense of moving one of or a combo of Gardiner, Niederreiter, Dzingel, etc., they’d do it, easily. Kicker is, that in no way will be easy, so their only option probably is to hope for “their guys” to step up and produce like they have in the past.

I’ll hold out hope that Sweeney loses his mind in BOS by losing both Chara and Krug so he panic trades DeBrusk for Gardiner...heh.
 

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I listened to that last night as well.

Yeah, it does sound like RBA wants his team makeup left alone. I’m not sure I heard the same thing as far as which players need to step up and which don’t, but I think your assumptions are probably spot on. If 18-19 regular season Niederreiter shows up, there’s no need for a guy like Hoffman. (I also think Dzingel has a lot more to give and hope they give him another, decent shot at top 9 minutes, but after the playoffs this year, who knows).

Yeah, that was 100% me reading between the lines. RBA didn't mention any players. He just said something to the effect that just because a player had a bad season, doesn't mean they are bad players that need to be moved. Nino was the first that came to my mind.
 
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