Confirmed with Link: Nazem Kadri signs with the Flames (7 years, $7M AAV)

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Getting Kadri is one of the best moves we’ve made. The term is ***, the $’s are fine. Have to pay to play. We got ourselves one of the best 2C’s in the game, and one that can easily move in as the 1A guy when his game is on. A big reason why Colorado never skipped a beat in the reg season when MacK was down.
 
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I don't see the argument against this team being better other than putting Gaudreau and Tkachuk up on some pedestal just because they were Flames and the other guys weren't.

We still have the offensive cornerstone piece with elite scoring ability. We still have the coach and two way centre who made the top line one of the best possession lines in the league.

We still have plenty of grit, and in swapping Tkachuk for Kadri we arguably added a more effective version of it. Adding Kadri instead of a winger also makes us much better equipped to take on the top offences in the league, as the opposition will spend the entire game matched against one of three elite defensive centres.

Oh yeah, and we straight up traded a serviceable third pairing guy for a top 30 defenceman.

Barry Zito believing that Tkachuk is some kind of generational unicorn is a delusion which has saved our offseason. This is the best constructed roster we've seen since at least the Iginla days, and will be a very difficult team to beat. And we still have room to add a very good winger if we stand pat until the TDL.

And if you still aren't excited, there is even room on the roster for young guys to actually earn a spot.
 

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I don't see the argument against this team being better other than putting Gaudreau and Tkachuk up on some pedestal just because they were Flames and the other guys weren't.

We still have the offensive cornerstone piece with elite scoring ability. We still have the coach and two way centre who made the top line one of the best possession lines in the league.

We still have plenty of grit, and in swapping Tkachuk for Kadri we arguably added a more effective version of it. Adding Kadri instead of a winger also makes us much better equipped to take on the top offences in the league, as the opposition will spend the entire game matched against one of three elite defensive centres.

Oh yeah, and we straight up traded a serviceable third pairing guy for a top 30 defenceman.

Barry Zito believing that Tkachuk is some kind of generational unicorn is a delusion which has saved our offseason. This is the best constructed roster we've seen since at least the Iginla days, and will be a very difficult team to beat. And we still have room to add a very good winger if we stand pat until the TDL.

And if you still aren't excited, there is even room on the roster for young guys to actually earn a spot.
Worth mentioning, the swap from Tkachuk to Kadri, while being likely a downgrade offensively, makes this team much deeper with now having two centres that could score 70-90 points on two different lines.

We saw what happened in the playoffs, the first line struggled at times (no thanks to Matthews hand) and the rest of the team had a hard time producing. Backlund’s line stepped up, but Jarnkrok and the fourth line were essentially skating laps. This pushes everyone into the right position and makes Calgary just that much better.
 
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I don't see the argument against this team being better other than putting Gaudreau and Tkachuk up on some pedestal just because they were Flames and the other guys weren't.

We still have the offensive cornerstone piece with elite scoring ability. We still have the coach and two way centre who made the top line one of the best possession lines in the league.

We still have plenty of grit, and in swapping Tkachuk for Kadri we arguably added a more effective version of it. Adding Kadri instead of a winger also makes us much better equipped to take on the top offences in the league, as the opposition will spend the entire game matched against one of three elite defensive centres.

Oh yeah, and we straight up traded a serviceable third pairing guy for a top 30 defenceman.

Barry Zito believing that Tkachuk is some kind of generational unicorn is a delusion which has saved our offseason. This is the best constructed roster we've seen since at least the Iginla days, and will be a very difficult team to beat. And we still have room to add a very good winger if we stand pat until the TDL.

And if you still aren't excited, there is even room on the roster for young guys to actually earn a spot.

The argument seems pretty straightforward Gaudreau is better than Hubredeau, Thachuk much better than Kadri and Weegar doesn’t make up the difference with the loss of Gudbranson. Many might disagree with those assessments but I don’t think they are crazy or outlandish. If you think Weegar is a top 30 defenseman, which seems insane to me, then I guess we are obviously better.

I think the team is basically the same overall neither much better or much worse. I still see them as a tier below the top tier of teams and not a real contender for the Cup. They will need a lot of luck and injuries to other teams to have a chance just like last season.

I don’t see this team as being tough to beat at all. That defense should scare nobody to play especially in the play-offs. Top players will still rip them apart because their defensive play, outside of Taney is mediocre at best.
 
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The Flames are a dramatically better team than last year, at least on paper. It's hilarious that people are trying to pretend otherwise.
 

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The argument seems pretty straightforward Gaudreau is better than Hubredeau, Thachuk much better than Kadri and Weegar doesn’t make up the difference with the loss of Gudbranson. Many might disagree with those assessments but I don’t think they are crazy or outlandish. If you think Weegar is a top 30 defenseman, which seems insane to me, then I guess we are obviously better.

I think the team is basically the same overall neither much better or much worse. I still see them as a tier below the top tier of teams and not a real contender for the Cup. They will need a lot of luck and injuries to other teams to have a chance just like last season.

I don’t see this team as being tough to beat at all. That defense should scare nobody to play especially in the play-offs. Top players will still rip them apart because their defensive play, outside of Taney is mediocre at best.
I usually don’t tell people they are wrong and they’re entitled to their own opinion, but in this case your opinion is flat out wrong.
 

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I don't see the argument against this team being better other than putting Gaudreau and Tkachuk up on some pedestal just because they were Flames and the other guys weren't.

We still have the offensive cornerstone piece with elite scoring ability. We still have the coach and two way centre who made the top line one of the best possession lines in the league.

We still have plenty of grit, and in swapping Tkachuk for Kadri we arguably added a more effective version of it. Adding Kadri instead of a winger also makes us much better equipped to take on the top offences in the league, as the opposition will spend the entire game matched against one of three elite defensive centres.

Oh yeah, and we straight up traded a serviceable third pairing guy for a top 30 defenceman.

Barry Zito believing that Tkachuk is some kind of generational unicorn is a delusion which has saved our offseason. This is the best constructed roster we've seen since at least the Iginla days, and will be a very difficult team to beat. And we still have room to add a very good winger if we stand pat until the TDL.

And if you still aren't excited, there is even room on the roster for young guys to actually earn a spot.
I think signing Ruzicka and having that last bit of space will be used for the TDL. Dube deserves a shot in the middle 6 (MAYBE some shifts on the first line). If he doesn’t pan out the way we want I think we see him and a good prospect/2nd/1st and maybe more for a top end winger
 

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Only one way to find out but considering Tkachuk was Mia yet again in the playoffs and the defense fell apart its hard for me to see us being worse in the short term
Problem is that people expect Huberdeau and Kadri to be the same players as they were on their previous teams and that won't be the case. Huberdeau will be more like a 80-85 pt player rather than 115. Kadri will probably be closer to 50-60 pts rather than a ppg-player as in his last season. He is also injury prone and has missed almost a about 70 games past 3 seasons.
 
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Problem is that people expect Huberdeau and Kadri to be the same players as they were on their previous teams and that won't be the case. Huberdeau will be more like a 80-85 pt player rather than 115. Kadri will probably be closer to 50-60 pts rather than a ppg-player as in his last season. He is also injury prone and has missed almost a about 70 games past 3 seasons.
I don't think anyone is expecting either to replicate their last seasons
 

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Problem is that people expect Huberdeau and Kadri to be the same players as they were on their previous teams and that won't be the case. Huberdeau will be more like a 80-85 pt player rather than 115. Kadri will probably be closer to 50-60 pts rather than a ppg-player as in his last season. He is also injury prone and has missed almost a about 70 games past 3 seasons.
Do they though? This feels more like another terrible strawman.

Literally haven't seen anyone claim to expect both Huberdeau and Kadri to replicate their stats seamlessly. Just like how no one realistically expects both Gaudreau and Tkachuk to recreate the numbers they had in a contract year, right?
 

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Problem is that people expect Huberdeau and Kadri to be the same players as they were on their previous teams and that won't be the case. Huberdeau will be more like a 80-85 pt player rather than 115. Kadri will probably be closer to 50-60 pts rather than a ppg-player as in his last season. He is also injury prone and has missed almost a about 70 games past 3 seasons.
Ah yes, Huberdeau is set for a huge decline seeing as he won't be playing with... checks notes... Bennett and Duclair anymore. No way the Flames have a centre capable of supporting a 115-point season from their winger.

These roster moves should make it so we don't need one guy scoring 115 points, anyway. Basically none of the guys involved in our roster changes are expected to necessarily repeat their statistical performances, so that isn't really a factor in whether we got better as a team.
 
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The argument seems pretty straightforward Gaudreau is better than Hubredeau, Thachuk much better than Kadri and Weegar doesn’t make up the difference with the loss of Gudbranson. Many might disagree with those assessments but I don’t think they are crazy or outlandish. If you think Weegar is a top 30 defenseman, which seems insane to me, then I guess we are obviously better.

I think the team is basically the same overall neither much better or much worse. I still see them as a tier below the top tier of teams and not a real contender for the Cup. They will need a lot of luck and injuries to other teams to have a chance just like last season.

I don’t see this team as being tough to beat at all. That defense should scare nobody to play especially in the play-offs. Top players will still rip them apart because their defensive play, outside of Taney is mediocre at best.
To the bolded point:


Of course there's more to it than possession, but the gap between Weegar and Gudbranson is certifiably massive. Also note he can easily be billed as better at defence than offence with a massive impact on transition defence. At bare minimum he was the #2 d-men capable of putting up solid point totals without significant PP TOI. At best he was a psuedy 1/2 that seamlessly took over with Ekblad out. All with sterling possession metrics over the past 3 years.

I think it's apparent the difference between Weegar and Gudbranson is massive. Now does that make up the difference between Kadri and Huberdeau vs. Tkachuk and Gaudreau? Who knows. The Flames are certainly a deeper team at centre and at D (significantly deeper on both fronts) with somewhat depleted winger depth. With one more winger on the team I think people should be hard-presed to say the Flames are a worse team. But as it stands, I think it's close.
 
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Khrox

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Definitely not a better team than last year but probably not a worst team either.

i don't see this team having any more chance at winning a Cup than we did last year or had we kept Gaudreau and Tkachuk. We are still way behind the Avs, behind the Blues in terms of quality. Right in a mix with Edmonton and LV where I could see any of the 3 winning the division in the regular season and getting out of the division to lose to the Central champs in the WCF.
Huby is our Johnny replacement. Dynamic winger who can pile up points, excels on the powerplay, and is great on the pk. Takes more penalties than Johnny, but was always a key offensive player for the Panthers (like Johnny was for us).

Kadri replaces Tkachuk. Points wise, I think Tkachuk will score more. BUT, Kadri also plays center, (bumping Backlund to the 3C role). They both take some untimely penalties, and have a suspension history and some questionable plays that make them loved by the teams they're on, but hated by every other fanbase. I think where Kadri's edge comes in is that he provides a lot of grit and playdriving ability as a center (which is something we kind of lacked). Bumping Backlund to our 3C gives us that top-tier defensive specialist who can still put up points, and makes line-matching us significantly harder. Backlund can shut guys down, but Kadri is good at that as well.

Regardless of whether Kadri or Lindholm plays our "first line" (Dutter does like to keep things pretty balanced if he can), it gives us 3 defensively strong C's, 2 of which are capable of driving their line (Lindy and Kadri), while the third is still good for roughly 40 points a season. It makes it a nightmare for other teams to shut down, and if they have "offense only" type forwards, they'll get eaten alive. Kadri also brings us some speed down the middle (which while I love Monahan, even pre-hip surgeries, was never exactly a fast guy), which makes him even more dangerous in a Dutter system since he's big on "play good defense, and then capitalize on mistakes". He'll be driving the play a lot more than we've seen from most of our centers in a long time.

I think we're a lock for top 2 in the division (Vegas is the competition there I think), since we also have a great workhorse goaltender in Markstrom, and Vladar who can 100% hold his own. And our D I think improved vastly. I liked Gudbranson, but Weegar plays good defense, most of his points come ES (even though he got some PP time) plays a lot of PK, and can play physical. He'll slot in for Tanev until he's healthy, and then we'll have 3 RS D-men who are all capable of playing top pairing (even if Tanev is probably best suited to playing second pairing, he's proven in the past he can go top pair without missing a beat). It's kind of a wealth of riches for us.

We lost Johnny, which sucks, but as I said, Huby replaces him, sideways move immediately, most likely a downgrade in 4-5 years. We lost Tkachuk, but we got Kadri for his overall role, which is a slight downgrade but not a huge one (I don't think Tkachuk hits 100+ points again, even though I think 70-80 is going to be more normal for him). We lost Gudbranson, but Weegar is a hard upgrade on him (and I was impressed with Guddy last season). We lost Monahan, which sucks as a person. He always seemed like a pretty stand-up guy, lots of community involvement, was a warrior for us, and gave us a lot. But his body broke down... a LOT, and from a production standpoint, losing him was probably an upgrade as a whole. Overall, I think we're a better team today than we were during the playoffs
 

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OMG the Flames lost 24 goals from their roster last season!! No way can they replicate that 111 point season.

Calgary had a +85 goal differential which strongly indicates that they should have had been in the 118-122 point range historically. If this season we are winning games 3-1 as opposed to 6-1 does the result change? If you are hovering around the +40-60 range you are an elite team. Calgary just had one of the top three season in terms of goal differential over the past two decades - they do not need to come remotely close to repeating that to find success. We led the entire NHL in games won by two or more goals at 40, and were second in the league in winning games by 3+ goals with 30.

In fact we have greatly improved our defense and better balanced our forward core - which should immensely improve our depth scoring (lines 2&3) even if it comes at the expense of the "top line" producing less.

Also all of this talk from the main boards that Calgary got run over by Edmonton in the playoffs is complete fallacy. Yeah, we lost in five, but we dominated game one, and they dominated game three. The remaining three games were complete coin flips with late third period goals/ot being the deciding factor + the entire hockey world knows that Coleman goal should have counted. Had Calgary even received an .895-.900 SV% netminding from it's Vezina finalist during that series it would have been us winning in either 4 or 5 games.

I see no reason - atleast as of now, that we are not a top tier team in the NHL for the next 2-4 seasons - although we will see what happens with Darryl.
 

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Any post-signing interviews with Kadri out there?

I'm a big fan (he's one of my favourite players ever, kind of a Darcy Tucker kind of love for the guy)

Any Flames fans that hate this guy, prepare to love how much he cares about everything Flames.
 
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Any post-signing interviews with Kadri out there?

I'm a big fan (he's one of my favourite players ever, kind of a Darcy Tucker kind of love for the guy)

Any Flames fans that hate this guy, prepare to love how much he cares about everything Flames.
Ryan Leslie interviewed him from Europe, but I can't find it anywhere, not even on Leslie's IG
 
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Its on youtube

Thanks for that. Sorry to post on your board like I say I'm a huge fan of Kadri and I don't normally post on other teams forums, wore my Leafs Kadri jersey while watching the SCF and it was just awesome. May never see my team have any meaningful success but I can cheer on my favourite player.

And Kadri vs. McDavid? I mean I have to post this, one of the most awesome moments haha. Oilers fans were losing it, I was in dream land for one meaningless regular season game:
 

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Thanks for that. Sorry to post on your board like I say I'm a huge fan of Kadri and I don't normally post on other teams forums,
As long as you're respectful, I don't see the issue.

He's had like 2-3 interviews (all done remotely). He's talked about how he likes how the team is built, how he's always loved playing in Calgary because the fans were so passionate. Talked a bit about how he can't wait to win the cup again here.

I don't think too many fans are going to be upset about the player, if anything it's more the contract (which even that I don't get. Most long term contracts don't age well, you just hope they outperform it in the first few years as the cap raises to what would make it an "average" or only "slightly bad" contract).
 
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Thanks for that. Sorry to post on your board like I say I'm a huge fan of Kadri and I don't normally post on other teams forums, wore my Leafs Kadri jersey while watching the SCF and it was just awesome. May never see my team have any meaningful success but I can cheer on my favourite player.

And Kadri vs. McDavid? I mean I have to post this, one of the most awesome moments haha. Oilers fans were losing it, I was in dream land for one meaningless regular season game:


As long as you aren't showing up here to trash talk, honestly speaking, we have no issues with fans of other teams here doing direct banter with us here.

In all honesty, even when someone comes over to trash talk, we have cool enough mods that allow the convos to let it run its course a little, rather than immediately shutting it down. It's often good for a laugh or two before being cleaned up.

In what I've heard, he seems excited to be here. Says he's still hungry for the cup and wants it again, thinks Calgary is a place that he can do that.

It'll be neat. :)
 
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