RadekBong
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Avs ownership has Walmart money. They could buy the Leafs if they wanted to.
That doesn't necessarily mean that the Avs can spend to the same degree as the leafs.
Avs ownership has Walmart money. They could buy the Leafs if they wanted to.
What blatant bait. You go and basically put your agenda on display with all it saltiness then proceed to pretend its some mysterious.Yeah but let's be honest, Avs say no because small markets can't afford a world class player like Matthews.
Please define my agenda, having a side =/= agenda and I'm open to a good argument but failed to read one yet. Lots of boring personal attacks though.
Why don't they spend to the cap then?Avs ownership has Walmart money. They could buy the Leafs if they wanted to.
I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’m neither a fan nor hater of the Avs or Leafs. I tried to make objective assumptions about contracts and cap growth.
I used JT as he’s the latest big money forward to sign a his 1st UFA contract. Tavares reportedly did leave money on the table, but he didn’t give the Leafs that much of a discount, relative to his peers. Kane, Toews, Kopitar, Crosby and Malkin are the only forwards in the league that are currently under their 1st UFA contracts that accounted for a greater percentage of the cap at the time of signing. The likes of Benn, Perry, Stamkos, Getzlaf and Kessel fall underneath Tavares.
If you think MacKinnon goes for the 15% tier, add in an extra mil or so to the final four years of that frame. He still comes out ahead.
Control is a fair point, though. Tavares was the highest profile departure we’ve seen in a half decade plus. I want to see more of that ilk before taking that threat too seriously. That could certainly happen with Karlsson and Panarin looking uncertain.
Omg the manipulation in this post.Matthews started his NHL career almost a full year (348 days) older than MacKinnon was when he started his, wasn't expected to drag the corpse of Jarome Iginla up and down the ice with him his sophomore year, and plays for one of the best coaches in recent NHL history. But, I'm sure none of that had anything to do with the disparity in production over their first two seasons, right?
Why don't they spend to the cap then?
Comparison of their first two seasons:
146GP, 38G, 63A, 101Pts. 5v5P1/60: 1.46
144GP, 74G, 58A, 132Pts. 5v5p1/60: 2.22
I will take the obvious choice.
If Matthews and MacKinnon were UFAs tomorrow who makes more money?Yea no worries. I understand you are doing an objective approach and I'm coming at this with a leafs bias. But I do consider my questions legit. And especially when another factor we have ignored is progression. If Mackinnon continues his play like Avs fans say he will, than yes that cap hit becomes higher than Tavares especially after playing at the discount everyone is mentioning for 4 years.
And yes if you take a snapshot at this point in time Mack's contract ends up ahead by accumulating all the years. But the reference point changes year by year so the accumulation of value isn't important. By year 4 of that deal, when Mack's contact is almost up and Matthews is controlled for another 4, I'd easily value Matthews contract more despite Mack's playing for a discount the previous years. Of course that would depend on if Colarado wins a cup during that time. Then I guess the value wouldn't matter.
The hypocrisy is palpableOmg the manipulation in this post.
Typical manipulation but legendary in soft logic.
MacKinnon. The one with the higher proven ceiling.If Matthews and MacKinnon were UFAs tomorrow who makes more money?
Why don't they spend to the cap then?
Comparison of their first two seasons:
146GP, 38G, 63A, 101Pts. 5v5P1/60: 1.46
144GP, 74G, 58A, 132Pts. 5v5p1/60: 2.22
I will take the obvious choice.
Matthews started his NHL career almost a full year (348 days) older than MacKinnon was when he started his, wasn't expected to drag the corpse of Jarome Iginla up and down the ice with him his sophomore year, and plays for one of the best coaches in recent NHL history. But, I'm sure none of that had anything to do with the disparity in production over their first two seasons, right?
Wasn't Mack younger though? His whole 1st season was at age 18. While Matthews was 19
what has MacKinnon done to prove more?MacKinnon. The one with the higher proven ceiling.
Easy.
Why don't they spend to the cap then?
A Hart worthy season is apparently nothing now. MacKinnon has the ceiling that has been proven to be higher. This is fact. Indisputable. If Matthews wants to demonstrate he has a higher ceiling, he needs to actually show it before anyone would pay him like he has done it before.what has MacKinnon done to prove more?
No. It was just the question asked.And you only made the guys point - MacKinnon will make more as of today AND his contract isnt up for another four years.
Therefore Matthews has more value in terms of contracts than MacKinnon, which was a lot of Avs fans argument
what has MacKinnon done to prove more?MacKinnon. The one with the higher proven ceiling.
Easy.
what has MacKinnon done to prove more?
Oh I know hes proved more, it was a bit of a bait question to get the poster I quoted to explain why MacKinnon is worth more today if contracts were given out - and then add four years to that until MacK can even sign oneBe a runner up for the Hart? Go PPG in multiple playoffs. Have one of the best nhl seasons in a decade?
Not to disparage Matthews or anything but most the stuff I’ve heard defending him is just wait till he gets more TOI. Just wait will he gets more PP time. A lot of hypotheticals. Not saying he’s a bad player, because obviously he’s great player, but he still has to prove that more ice time or whatever will get him more points. Well see, depending on Mack and Matthews next season will really show who the better player is.
And you failed spectacularly, given you're not even trying to respond to my response.Oh I know hes proved more, it was a bit of a bait question to get the poster I quoted to explain why MacKinnon is worth more today if contracts were given out - and then add four years to that until MacK can even sign one
I should have worded it differently so I appreciate your post and I agree - but I asked the question mainly to get across the point that MacK doesnt have some contract advantage like some Avalanche fans seem to think
Oh I know hes proved more, it was a bit of a bait question to get the poster I quoted to explain why MacKinnon is worth more today if contracts were given out - and then add four years to that until MacK can even sign one
I should have worded it differently so I appreciate your post and I agree - but I asked the question mainly to get across the point that MacK doesnt have some contract advantage like some Avalanche fans seem to think
Ok my bad, that hilarious though.We’ve been a cap team for the last like 5 years. But you can push you’re narrative more if you’d like.
Oh I know hes proved more, it was a bit of a bait question to get the poster I quoted to explain why MacKinnon is worth more today if contracts were given out - and then add four years to that until MacK can even sign one
I should have worded it differently so I appreciate your post and I agree - but I asked the question mainly to get across the point that MacK doesnt have some contract advantage like some Avalanche fans seem to think
Ok my bad, that hilarious though.