Proposal: Nate McKinnon for Auston Matthews

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Spilot23

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How do the leafs know that MacKinnon doesn't go back to being a 50 point player like he was the previous 4 years.
Matthews has proven more at the same age and it would be simply idiotic to make that trade.
Matthews easily
Same reason for the Avs not to do this. Avs would be idiots to trade their recent 97pts Hart finalist player after having a career year. Both teams say no and are happy with their star player.
 
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Good points. Comparison of Matthews' first and second seasons with MacKinnon's second and third seasons:

136GP, 35G, 55A, 90Pts. 5v5P1/60: 1.24
144GP, 74G, 58A, 132Pts. 5v5p1/60: 2.22

As per the usual nonsense about linemates. Iginla led the Avs in points during MacKinnon's second season, including putting up 46 ES points - so it would have more accurate to say that a significantly diminished Iginla had to try to carry a crappy MacKinnon, except that MacKinnon didn't play much with Iginla anyways. He played predominantly with ROR and Landeskog in his second season - both outscored him - they combined for 114 points - MacKinnon had 38. (same as his first season where it was predominantly Landeskog and ROR - both outscored him - they combined for 129). In his 3rd year it was Duchene and Landeskog (again - both outscored him - they combined for 112 points).

Matthews played with Nylander and carried around Hyman - outscoring both in each of his seasons - while missing 20 games in his second season (Nylander and Hyman combined for 89 points in Matthews' first season, and they combined for 101 points in his second).

Matthews carried his line. MacKinnon was the weakest link.


Welp... nothing more to be said.

Game. Set. Match.

Well played biotk.

Everybody pack up their **** and go home.
 
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Good points. Comparison of Matthews' first and second seasons with MacKinnon's second and third seasons:

136GP, 35G, 55A, 90Pts. 5v5P1/60: 1.24
144GP, 74G, 58A, 132Pts. 5v5p1/60: 2.22

As per the usual nonsense about linemates. Iginla led the Avs in points during MacKinnon's second season, including putting up 46 ES points - so it would have more accurate to say that a significantly diminished Iginla had to try to carry a crappy MacKinnon, except that MacKinnon didn't play much with Iginla anyways. He played predominantly with ROR and Landeskog in his second season - both outscored him - they combined for 114 points - MacKinnon had 38. (same as his first season where it was predominantly Landeskog and ROR - both outscored him - they combined for 129). In his 3rd year it was Duchene and Landeskog (again - both outscored him - they combined for 112 points).

Matthews played with Nylander and carried around Hyman - outscoring both in each of his seasons - while missing 20 games in his second season (Nylander and Hyman combined for 89 points in Matthews' first season, and they combined for 101 points in his second).

Matthews carried his line. MacKinnon was the weakest link.

MacKinnon didn't play "predominantly" with anyone, thank you very much. That just wasn't how Roy rolled his lines.

MacKinnon spent 22% of his ES shifts with Iginla on the ice his sophomore season, which is a decent chunk of time. Yes, he did play more with Landeskog and ROR, but over 1/5 of his ES ice time was with Iginla that year.

And, please, let's not confuse point totals with style of play. Iginla scored a lot of points because the Avs offense was "set Jarome up for a one timer". That doesn't mean that he was fast enough to keep up with MacKinnon's style of play, even in his prime. And he definitely didn't drive the play for the Avs. So, no, the narrative you're pushing based on the stats isn't "more accurate". But, please, do tell me more about a team you don't watch more than 2 games a year.
 

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MacKinnon didn't play "predominantly" with anyone, thank you very much. That just wasn't how Roy rolled his lines.

61% is predominant. That was with Landeskog.

MacKinnon spent 22% of his ES shifts with Iginla on the ice his sophomore season, which is a decent chunk of time. Yes, he did play more with Landeskog and ROR, but over 1/5 of his ES ice time was with Iginla that year.

And, please, let's not confuse point totals with style of play. Iginla scored a lot of points because the Avs offense was "set Jarome up for a one timer". That doesn't mean that he was fast enough to keep up with MacKinnon's style of play, even in his prime. And he definitely didn't drive the play for the Avs. So, no, the narrative you're pushing based on the stats isn't "more accurate". But, please, do tell me more about a team you don't watch more than 2 games a year.

Yawn. The Avs had 6 players with 50 points that year. MacKinnon had 38. Blaming the team's leading scorer that year for Mackinnon's shitty play, especially when they rarely played today, just makes you a bad person.
 
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Matthews started his NHL career almost a full year (348 days) older than MacKinnon was when he started his, wasn't expected to drag the corpse of Jarome Iginla up and down the ice with him his sophomore year, and plays for one of the best coaches in recent NHL history. But, I'm sure none of that had anything to do with the disparity in production over their first two seasons, right?

Even if you used his 2nd/3rd year for matthews 1/2nd year your point still is not valid. Matthews more points, goals, points per game, 5v5 points, higher face-off %.

Matthews plays with Zach Hyman who can't finish a damn goal or else matthews would have way more points. Zach Hyman and a Older igilna IMO are pretty equal.

Babcock obv> your coach because you can't pay 8mil a year but babcock didn't give him all the pp time he should have/could have had more ice time which will change.
 

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So the fact that Matthews walked into the league and pulled down everyone's pants by leading the league in ES goals as a rookie, scoring the hardest goals in the NHL doesn't mean anything?

And we have to ignore that Mac struggles after his rookie year while regaining his play this season. Who really has the highest ceiling? Oh to have a bit more cap space tho


Its matthews jersey. If he was a hawk or red wing he would be on mcdavids tier. Now col says no...lmfao at hf. Never change

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Man this thread has deteriorated into absolute trash, and no surprise to see the usual suspects spewing nonsense again.


Can we get this locked up now? It's creating nothing of value at this point.
 

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Even if you used his 2nd/3rd year for matthews 1/2nd year your point still is not valid. Matthews more points, goals, points per game, 5v5 points, higher face-off %.

Matthews plays with Zach Hyman who can't finish a damn goal or else matthews would have way more points. Zach Hyman and a Older igilna IMO are pretty equal.

Babcock obv> your coach because you can't pay 8mil a year but babcock didn't give him all the pp time he should have/could have had more ice time which will change.

I don’t know why we have to keep saying this but Kroenke is worth about 3 times what MLSE is. I guess you guys are just running out of arguments.

97 points.
 
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Its matthews jersey. If he was a hawk or red wing he would be on mcdavids tier. Now col says no...lmfao at hf. Never change

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Would you have traded a guy that just got 97pts in 74 games for a young guy with high potential that has yet to hit 70pts? Yes I know he is younger and didn't play a full season but how dumb would the Avs look if they traded their Hart finalist and after having a career year.
 

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A thread like this one is usually created by a that needs to prove his that his players are better. It's best not to reply to these kind of threads.
 

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A thread like this one is usually created by a that needs to prove his that his players are better. It's best not to reply to these kind of threads.
Thread should end with both teams keep their star player and are freaking happy with it :D
 
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