TSN: Mutiny among players about Therrien -Now with a poll!!

[Burke the Legend]

Conor McKenna ‏@mckennaconor 1m
The Canadiens have scored 4 goals and allowed 23 with Douglas Murray on the ice. Anything else is window dressing. The guy is bad at hockey.

Douglas Murray is great at hockey.

Does this guy just regurgitate what he reads on www.habseyesontheprize.com/ ??

TSN690 such a joke

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

MT has no idea how to use his players. Murray should never be on the ice against any good players. His minutes should be there to hit the other teams bottom pairings. Same things with Cube, over used, and in the wrong place.

Check Gallagher. The poor guy is ignored on that line. Going straight to the net? Really Therrien? They need to cycle the puck and get him to go to the front of the net when the D are looking at the puck moving around the boards...

I hate MT, tired of his inability to coach.

 

[Teufelsdreck]

I would consider almost anybody to replace MT, who's demonstrated his karma is to be fired once, twice, three times, to the nth. Does he deserve it? Mais, certainement!

 

[waffledave]

So now Eller at 24 is "old" and he's reached his max potential.

So DD at 27 must be over the hill, will never be more than a 40-50 pt PP specialist right? And Pacioretty, Subban, Price have all reached their ceilings too right?

 

[Bloumeister]

Renaud Lavoie was on FAN590 this morning, Jeff Blair show, saying he contacted several sources inside the Habs and they all say players are 100% behind Therrein

Of course they are 100% behind him. How else would they stab him in the back?

"We got your back, Mike!"

#stabbing

 

[FrontierPsyCHiatrist*]

The team has 6 SH goals, which count towards +/-, btw.

Fair enough!

 

[aaa]

He had 7 goals in his first 22 games, you know, when he was playing with at least one of Galchenyuk or Gallagher, or both, and getting more offensive opportunities.

But hey, let's look at his production when he plays with Bourque, who's got 1 goal in his last 16 games and 1 assist all year. Or when he plays with Moen that has 1 goal all year, or Prust who's got 4. Not to mention, very little PP time. Ya, that's so much of a better representation..

If they trade Eller after lowering his trade value by breaking up his line and giving him no support since I'm going to take a break from caring about this team. Trading Eller to save Therrien after Therrien screwed him over to save Desharnais would be pushing it.

 

[waffledave]

If they trade Eller after lowering his trade value by breaking up his line and giving him no support since I'm going to take a break from caring about this team. Trading Eller to save Therrien after Therrien screwed him over to save Desharnais would be pushing it.

The Habs apparently have a social responsibility to Quebecers.

 

[Andy]

martin mcguire ‏@mmcguirehockey 36m
Therrien: le système ne changera pas demain...ça va venir de nous tous

 

[WeThreeKings]

martin mcguire ‏@mmcguirehockey 36m
Therrien: le système ne changera pas demain...ça va venir de nous tous

He's saying that they aren't going to change their system.. I don't understand the second part.. "ca va venir de nous tous".. what does that mean?

 

[mtl_felix]

martin mcguire ‏@mmcguirehockey 36m
Therrien: le système ne changera pas demain...ça va venir de nous tous

http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/26032.html

 

[aaa]

The Habs apparently have a social responsibility to Quebecers.

I think it's more that Therrien has no backbone. He preaches no excuses and accountability but at the end of the day he's terrified of upper management. Bergevin's Desharnais contract don't look so bad anymore.

 

[HABSonaroll]

MT called this team a grinding team- what !!!!!!!!! there to small for this - they've been Winning when they use their speed

 

[Habit11]

martin mcguire ‏@mmcguirehockey 36m
Therrien: le système ne changera pas demain...ça va venir de nous tous

How the **** do you get outscored 14 - 2 in 3 games and then come out and say we don't need to change anything? Been playing like the Oilers for two months now. The team is completely disjointed and has shown zero signs of improvement. But hey, it's all good MT.

I see the Pleks/Gionta and Max/DD/Gallagher combos stay together according to lines at practice. Why break that up? They are leading this offence so well 5 on 5 that no need to make any changes at all. So fed up with this coach.

 

[Habssince89]

Well either 3 things will happen

1-We somehow start winning under MT - Can't complain if that happens
2-We keep losing and MT will be fired (It will happen if it remains this bad)
3-We play .500 hockey and limp into the playoffs, MT is let go this summer/mid-season next year if there's no improvement. (this is the most likely thing to happen, so maybe we just need to suffer a tiny bit more)

 

[hototogisu]

He's saying that they aren't going to change their system.. I don't understand the second part.. "ca va venir de nous tous".. what does that mean?

"It's going to come from all of us".

 

[Andy]

"It's going to come from all of us".

So essentially he is saying it's not the system that's the problem, but the collective attitude from all the players.

That's what it reads like.

 

[WeThreeKings]

So essentially he is saying it's not the system that's the problem, but the collective attitude from all the players.

That's what it reads like.

Of course.. how could his brilliant hockey mind be wrong?

Thanks for the translation, hotogisu.

 

[Hermamoud]

martin mcguire ‏@mmcguirehockey 36m
Therrien: le système ne changera pas demain...ça va venir de nous tous

Funny since he pretty much changed the system from the speed oriented puck possession team to the "grinding team" practically overnight

 

[hototogisu]

So essentially he is saying it's not the system that's the problem, but the collective attitude from all the players.

That's what it reads like.

"All the players" is a little accusatory since Therrien's quote does seem to implicate himself and the coaching staff too...but yeah, the usual things coaches say in a slump, really. A collective effort to get back to the system that they had success with in the past.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

martin mcguire ‏@mmcguirehockey 36m
Therrien: le système ne changera pas demain...ça va venir de nous tous

NO EXCUSES!


Rispek

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Well either 3 things will happen

1-We somehow start winning under MT - Can't complain if that happens
2-We keep losing and MT will be fired (It will happen if it remains this bad)
3-We play .500 hockey and limp into the playoffs, MT is let go this summer/mid-season next year if there's no improvement. (this is the most likely thing to happen, so maybe we just need to suffer a tiny bit more)

Or, reactionary stupid trade that pushes us further away from a cup.

Or

Reactionary good trade that actually helps us.

 

[FisherKing]

martin mcguire ‏@mmcguirehockey 36m
Therrien: le système ne changera pas demain...ça va venir de nous tous

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

 

[Andy]

"All the players" is a little accusatory since Therrien's quote does seem to implicate himself and the coaching staff too...but yeah, the usual things coaches say in a slump, really. A collective effort to get back to the system that they had success with in the past.

But it isn't at all the same system. Habs played an aggressive two-man forecheck last year. This year play a passive 1-2-2 in the neutral zone, letting opposing teams attack the middle of the ice allowing them to gain the blue line with ease. The only that has stayed the same is the swarm system in the defensive zone.

 

[habtastic]

Just for starters, I'm all for hiring a coach who doesn't speak french to lead the Canadiens if he's better than french candidates. Most journalist speak english in Montreal, and if they don't, Bergevin could hire an interpretor. I'd be really intrigued to see how fans and media would react if we somehow signed an elite anglo coach... No offense to Cunneyworth, but his pedigree did not make the pill easy to swallow...

But as for your example, it doesn't really work. In France, french is the only official language. We are not surrounded by roughly 26 M strictly anglo canadians and more than 300 M americans. We never had to defend our language. In Quebec, french canadians had to fight to preserve their culture. You can't really compare these two situations.

Plus Marseille has not been under a foreign coach for quite sometimes now (unless you're talking about Gerets, who's from Belgium and speaks french). Ravanelli played in Marseille and says he'd like to be their coach at some point. But he'll probably never be, since he failed miserably in Ajaccio, his first position as head coach of a L1 side. Paris would have been a better example, Carlo Ancelotti (Italy) was the manager last year.

I know late, but just to reply:

The argument is made that most in Québec won't understand an English coach, as though a translator wouldn't be acceptable. But yes, there's also the defense of the culture reason. Let's also consider that the Montreal Canadiens are the Montreal Canadiens, if we want to be really specific about it. It's a team with French + English heritage in a city of English and French (and a lot in between), if we really want to split hairs. France isn't made up of English and French, so it's different in that way from Quebec. One could make the argument that there isn't a significant population of Marseille or Paris that is English. Also, in terms of defending the culture, the politics of Québec right now are so far to the side of culture defense that it's ludicrous (and has been demonstrated definitively) to suggest that French needs any defending any more. I'm sick of what this has done to the economy and my cherished team. I also think the protesting Cunneyworth haters are in the minority. Very vocal minority. Most of the backlash was the media and the "people won't understand" argument.

Your point is a good one about France, I'm just saying, there are many angles to come at this from to discredit the anti-non-French coach policy. In this scenario I like to err on the side of "let's cut the bs policies that have hurt us, i.e., language before winning". We need a Cup and the process needs to begin in earnest ASAP.

And again, I get Québecois heritage if one will consider growing up in Montréal a die hard Habs fan (obviously) to count for any of that.

Anyway, the situation has clearly taken a disastrous turn since the only French candidate I would have been ok with is now unavailable. (Though Boucher apparently has the out clause.)

I was so depressed to have to move half way around the world in September for work (believe me, it's not unrelated to the effect language politics has had on Québec's economy and jobs; and I'm perfectly bilingual) because I'd be away from the Habs. I still watch every game (albeit mostly a few hours/a day after), but it still feels different not being in Canada. Now...I'm sort of hoping that Price and Subby get their Golds and this (at least one) year away ends up being a tank with Therrien. If it does happen, it better be an Edmontonian collapse, and without trading away our young core or prospects. I don't reallllly want this, but I suppose it's easier to tune out the horror show from where I'm typing.

I like Eller....but a lot of the Eller love comes from people who don't want to admit that we did not get enough in that Halak deal. I think the team should do everything to help Eller succeed just like they do with DD. If they don't want to do that then just trade him. I guarantee you Lars would be a much further along player if he stayed in St Louis.

Respectfully disagree. He should be the #2 center hands down with tons of minutes. Trading him will be a colossal mistake. Eller is one of the guys who doesn't have to go somewhere else to have success. He can do it here if put in the right situation. Please plz plz Bergevin don't trade him!

I am very happy with the Halak trade ftr. In fact I think we won it.