Confirmed Trade: [MTL/ARI] Christian Dvorak for 2022 1st round pick and 2024 2nd round pick [Part II]

[Mandalorian]

Puzzling trade then, why not keep the pick and tank even more without Dvorak?

Knee-jerk reaction to losing Kotkaniemi.

Plus Dvorak could still fit in a rebuilding window because of his age.

 

[Name Nameless]

Knee-jerk reaction to losing Kotkaniemi.

Plus Dvorak could still fit in a rebuilding window because of his age.

Montreal must have been a horrible fit. I still wonder how he would have looked, say, between Kaprizov and Zuccarello.

 

[StephenPeat]

I think it's more that he didn't want you..

In all fairness, who would at this point?

 

[StephenPeat]

With their #1 D retiring, their #1 G possibly retiring, their defensively elite #2 C and their 3C out, Bergevin MIGHT have had the foresight to predict that Montreal was going to falter, them already being a lower tier team the past couple of season.

Hee

 

[Jared Dunn]

Which they would have done regardless of adding Dvorak. So you really can’t look at ti that way at all.

Late 1st in 2022
KK
2nd in 2024

Dvorak
3rd and 2022

It is a loss no matter how you look at it.

You can't just add the late 1st on top of KK when the only 1st they dealt they acquired through Kotkaniemi lol

Since I've seen like five failed attempts at breaking down these two trades:
Habs lost Kotkaniemi + 2nd round pick
Habs gained Dvorak + 3rd round pick

 

[Mersss]

Puzzling trade then, why not keep the pick and tank even more without Dvorak?

Cause it's the CAR pick...

Habs will easilly get a similar sample of picks next year at the TDL. So why NOT do it?? Dvorak will easilly fetch a 1st + prospect next year at the TDL. Young, cheap, good 3rd line C on a contender... he'll probably be one of the best option on the market next year.

Worst case, you resign him and have a LT option at 3C,

 

[Stubu]

Fact is the 3rd overall is playing 10 minutes a night making $6.1. Rather have Dvorak at 4.6$

Well, to be pedantic, average 12:20 over the season, not counting last game where he got a bit over 17 min.

The salaries are kinda apples and oranges to compare until Kotkaniemi's next (non-OS) contract is known. Dvorak is on a good contract, agreed.

You didn't mention point production, but that's so team context dependent that maybe it's not a very useful comparison either, in this case.

Certainly drafted too high and still work in progress as a center.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Let's see what Dvo does under SML.

Everyone seems to be playing better since the coach change.

Have a feeling Dvo will up his game as well.

 

[AvatarAang]

Since I've seen like five failed attempts at breaking down these two trades:
Habs lost Kotkaniemi + 2nd round pick
Habs gained Dvorak + 3rd round pick

Let’s analyze that a little further shall we?

Habs lost 3rd Overall + 2nd round pick
Habs gained Dvorak + 3rd round pick

Habs basically packaged 3rd overall+ for Christian Dvorak lol.

Like imagine asking a habs fan this year if they would package their 1st round pick for a 3rd line C.

 

[Deam78]

Let’s analyze that a little further shall we?

Habs lost 3rd Overall + 2nd round pick
Habs gained Dvorak + 3rd round pick

Habs basically packaged 3rd overall+ for Christian Dvorak lol.

Like imagine asking a habs fan this year if they would package their 1st round pick for a 3rd line C.

Why stop there? Let's go all-in and say Habs gained the 58th OA instead of Dvorak while we're being disingenuous

 

[Osakahaus]

was Dvorak even playing today?

 

[bsu]

Would you guys trade Dvorak for Comtois?

 

[Deam78]

Would you guys trade Dvorak for Comtois?

What's his deal? I haven't been able to follow him this year, but seems to be very disappointing after being a bright spot for Anaheim last season

 

[bsu]

What's his deal? I haven't been able to follow him this year, but seems to be very disappointing after being a bright spot for Anaheim last season

He had a broken bone in his hand to start the year and struggled and got surgery just getting into game shape recently.

 

[glenbuis]

Let’s analyze that a little further shall we?

Habs lost 3rd Overall + 2nd round pick
Habs gained Dvorak + 3rd round pick

Habs basically packaged 3rd overall+ for Christian Dvorak lol.

Like imagine asking a habs fan this year if they would package their 1st round pick for a 3rd line C.

it was a bad pick . it's not likely gonna return a third overall value in return . where have you been?

 

[ottawa]

No regrets on Dvorak...points aren't there but I love him, one of my favourite habs.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

He’s been banged up all year and clearly is still ailing as he hasn’t played or practiced in quite some time.

 

[pth2]

People should keep in mind, it wasn't apparent when we got Dvorak that the team was going to fall apart. It appeared that Price might miss a few games early on, but Allen could hold the fort, and otherwise Savard seemed like a tolerable replacement for Weber, considering Weber was often hurt anyways (ie, Savard in the lineup is better than Weber out of it).

Instead of being a potential playoff team, the Habs fell apart, which wasn't the obvious outcome before the season.

 

[Mandalorian]

Would you guys trade Dvorak for Comtois?

Nvm, hand surgery for Comtois seems to justified his poor play this season.

Is Comtois a fast player?

 

[bsu]

Nvm, hand surgery for Comtois seems to justified his poor play this season.

Is Comtois a fast player?

Not really he's more of a power guy.

 

[Garo]

Let’s analyze that a little further shall we?

Habs lost 3rd Overall + 2nd round pick
Habs gained Dvorak + 3rd round pick

Habs basically packaged 3rd overall+ for Christian Dvorak lol.

Like imagine asking a habs fan this year if they would package their 1st round pick for a 3rd line C.

I always thought I wasn't a fan of the Weber - Subban trade, but I didn't know it was because we traded the 43rd pick straight up for the 49th

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Would you guys trade Dvorak for Comtois?

You'd have to add to Comtois in order to get Dvorak, but I wouldn't mind Comtois. A big body that can score is always welcome. Comtois and a defense prospect like Olen Zellweger for Dvorak and the Ducks 3rd Round pick back get the job done?

 

[Mandalorian]

Not really he's more of a power guy.

Not sure he fits with Gorton vision or he is the type of player Montreal is looking for, them wanting a fast-skilled team.

Dvorak seems to be a more complete player in both the offensive and the defensive zone so I guess some kind of add would be needed for the trade to go through.

 

[Conbon]

People should keep in mind, it wasn't apparent when we got Dvorak that the team was going to fall apart. It appeared that Price might miss a few games early on, but Allen could hold the fort, and otherwise Savard seemed like a tolerable replacement for Weber, considering Weber was often hurt anyways (ie, Savard in the lineup is better than Weber out of it).

Instead of being a potential playoff team, the Habs fell apart, which wasn't the obvious outcome before the season.

Maybe Habs fans thought they were still a playoff team but alot of the people that were shitting on this trade knew MTL was a 24th place team that went on a fluke playoff run.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Maybe Habs fans thought they were still a playoff team but alot of the people that were shitting on this trade knew MTL was a 24th place team that went on a fluke playoff run.

There wasn't anything "Flukey" about their playoff run. They were a decent team that got hot at the right time.

Then they lost their all world goaltender, their captain and best defenseman, their steadiest defenseman (Edmundson), they had their young center poached via offer sheet which left them with Suzuki and nobody else up the middle. Bergevin, trying to save his job, went out and made the deal for Dvorak.

"Fluke" teams don't come back from being down 3-1 to win. They don't overcome losing their coach. That playoff run may have literally cost both Shea Weber and Carey Price their careers in the NHL. It wasn't a fluke, they just played a terrific team game throughout the playoffs and the guys that held the team together aren't there anymore.