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Wafflewhipper
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He is getting it already, the jump is back. Needs to get stronger still and relax to his patience level withthe puck a bit. All good for most part
Heh are you Donny from Kings? Ya know da Woodbridge guy. If u r then no one liked all the backstabbing on n54 and da we luv ya at da rink. There were sponsorships to cover Mitch. and as u know he wasn't alone. It is the way of the G and has been for many years. As a coach u would know.
Clark4Ever
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This is not a hot take, as Marner has made some big plays for us recently and throughout the season. But... it's becoming more and more apparent to me at least, that he is not capable of living up to his monster contract. I especially don't like his lackadaisical attitude and body language on the ice when things go wrong. It sets a terrible example for his teammates.
I really hope Dubas is at least willing to consider exploring Marner's trade value in the off season. We can probably get a very nice haul for him, and make much better use of almost 11 million in cap space.
I really hope Dubas is at least willing to consider exploring Marner's trade value in the off season. We can probably get a very nice haul for him, and make much better use of almost 11 million in cap space.
nsleaf
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Oh the horror, those bantam babies need to be paid!!
Shoot out gaffs happen all the time to good players.
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He puts up points, but I can't stand his overall game of late. It's amazing that people jump on Nylander every time he's not running around the rink like a squirrel, but when Marner makes putrid giveaways, disengages completely on contact especially along the boards and is cheating on defense he hardly catches flack for that.
He's also been awful on the power play recently, trying to force cute passes to nowhere and losing possession...he's a big factor in why the PP has tailed off the last few games. Plus, since he has a muffin it hinders the set-up as he's not a shooting threat from his position at all, even though he's in a prime shooting location.
Last night's game (and hell San Jose outside of his ridiculous goal) was painful to watch for him; aside from overplaying the puck and the blind passes, I remember he was forechecking and Doughty had the puck behind the net and Mitch was right there and chose to not engage at all, probably because he was afraid to make contact.
I think he'll figure it out, just sucks that he's paid like he's already there.
He's also been awful on the power play recently, trying to force cute passes to nowhere and losing possession...he's a big factor in why the PP has tailed off the last few games. Plus, since he has a muffin it hinders the set-up as he's not a shooting threat from his position at all, even though he's in a prime shooting location.
Last night's game (and hell San Jose outside of his ridiculous goal) was painful to watch for him; aside from overplaying the puck and the blind passes, I remember he was forechecking and Doughty had the puck behind the net and Mitch was right there and chose to not engage at all, probably because he was afraid to make contact.
I think he'll figure it out, just sucks that he's paid like he's already there.
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It's ironic that Marner has the skill set and speed I last remember seeing with Doug Gilmour. He has that potential. What he lacks, is the seriousness and sheer fierceness Gilmour brought. It's as if hockey is a fun escape but his real love is for something else. He has to be stronger on the puck also, Nylander has improved on this greatly this year.
I'm not sure why you guys are talking about trading Marner though. The return would have to be immense. You don't sign a talented young player to this big a contract with the intention of trading him. What you must do is surround him with more serious dudes who will rub off on him. Simply by osmosis, you will become more like those around you.
I repeat again, I don't see Marner as the problem. At least not yet. He isn't a role player, but he can block shots and hustle back like anyone else, he's done it. Look at how Matthews, Nylanders and even Hymans game have evolved, they are all more impressive this year than last.
I'm not sure why you guys are talking about trading Marner though. The return would have to be immense. You don't sign a talented young player to this big a contract with the intention of trading him. What you must do is surround him with more serious dudes who will rub off on him. Simply by osmosis, you will become more like those around you.
I repeat again, I don't see Marner as the problem. At least not yet. He isn't a role player, but he can block shots and hustle back like anyone else, he's done it. Look at how Matthews, Nylanders and even Hymans game have evolved, they are all more impressive this year than last.
Randy Randerson
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It was reported on, doubt anyone actually saw the offer but CBJs executive and Marners agent but there's strong indicators it was real
I agree on your scenarios for trading him, but he is tradable if we needed space
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Not to get all doom and gloom, but Marner seems like the most obvious core guy to get the boot if things continue to go sideways this year.
Can't see Dubas tinkering with the core at this stage (probably would give Keefe at least one full year first), but the pressure next year will be massive to make substabtial changes if Leafs miss the playoffs or go out with a whimper in the first round.
Can't see Dubas tinkering with the core at this stage (probably would give Keefe at least one full year first), but the pressure next year will be massive to make substabtial changes if Leafs miss the playoffs or go out with a whimper in the first round.
Dubas has got to trade him. Marners a stud and even that bloated contract is fine in vacuum but the way this team is constructed I don't see any other way to add the pieces needed to truly become a powerhouse and perennial contender.
Priority #1 should be adding Petro this summer. Trade Marner for future (2 firsts and an A prospect type deal), take his cap hit and give it to Pietrangelo. You still have Nylander & Kapanen as your top 6 RWs, both have looked very good down the stretch this season. Roll with Rielly & Petro as your top pairing with Muzzin and Holl on the 2nd, continue to develop the kids on D, and this team will finally have a strong Dcore to run with a still elite forward group. Draft and develop the assets acquired for Marner so you can slot them in when other guys age/price themselves out. It's the only way I see the team having long term success.
They'll be good enough to be a playoff team for the foreseeable future as is but not built for deep playoff runs otherwise
Priority #1 should be adding Petro this summer. Trade Marner for future (2 firsts and an A prospect type deal), take his cap hit and give it to Pietrangelo. You still have Nylander & Kapanen as your top 6 RWs, both have looked very good down the stretch this season. Roll with Rielly & Petro as your top pairing with Muzzin and Holl on the 2nd, continue to develop the kids on D, and this team will finally have a strong Dcore to run with a still elite forward group. Draft and develop the assets acquired for Marner so you can slot them in when other guys age/price themselves out. It's the only way I see the team having long term success.
They'll be good enough to be a playoff team for the foreseeable future as is but not built for deep playoff runs otherwise
oh for sure he is, he is an elite player. We are lucky to have 3 elite forwards and nylander who also could be, alot of teams would cue up to take marner at full cap hit IF we ever wanted to
This is why the Leafs never win anymore. The media and the fans are so quick to jump on the talented players, and they're ALWAYS thinking the grass is greener on the other side...
Anyone remember when Leaf fans were whining about getting Reilly instead of Trouba or Dumba or (FFS) Griffin Reinhart?
Anyone remember when the Leafs would have been better off with Noah Hanafin or Brad Werenski?
"Hey, let's trade our 22 year old 90 point winger so we can bring in a 30 year old UFA defenseman!"
Didn't I make the argument against this earlier in this thread? This SCREAMS "McCauley and Boyes for Owen Nolan"...
For God's sake, how many people are already whining about Tavares slowing down? And you want to sign another 30 year old in hopes that you'll get the same production? Why do I think people will want $11 million Pieterangelo out of town in a year?
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Well, the Leafs haven't won since 1967, and I don't think THN was a really big impact on the team at the time, nor the subsequent decades until we entered this current media environment.
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I think we have to get some of the players time to grow up. The smooth ride to where they are hasn't prepared all of them for the daily grind of a professional player with a target on their back.
They aren't playing against the best players in their age group, in their regional area, they're playing against the best in the world every game.
I think they'll get it.
I'm still going to call a rotten tomato a rotten tomato, but that's just emotional response to poor play, and I'll cheer happily to good play. Most play is between poor and good.
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Stephen
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Like I’ve said earlier, you can discuss the idea of moving Marner without bringing TML historical baggage into the equation. The merit of a potential Marner deal would have to be considered for what we get back and what we do with the cap space saved and what it does for the team moving forward.
Just because we traded a first round pick for Toskala didn’t mean we didn’t do the same with Andersen (which has largely worked out until this winter). Just because we drafted Luke Schenn with a top 5 pick doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have done so with Morgan Rielly.
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What kind of expectations do we have for Marner from a “buy in” point of view. We all know he’s a scrawny guy and not a bruiser, but is it reasonable to expect that he can provide as much physicality and puck retrieval as William Nylander? Does he need to work on bulking up? Or is that junior magician game going to be okay at 25-27?
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All Marner has to do is simplify his game and slow it down. You people saying the Leafs have to trade him are insane.
Stephen
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He’s got a lot of work to do to mature as a player and athlete. The point totals and fancy moves sort of mask how much of a mess he can be shift to shift.
Rumour I heard was there were a few teams at 10.8M which was at level below 4 1st rounders as compensation ... and Leafs negotiated more AAV and front load to offset the tax disadvantage with Ontario and Canadian taxes. Dubie is not as stupid as many here think. Would he have signed elsewhere? Who knows? but his heart has always been here. You can't blame a guy for getting all he can for his family. Is it too much for Leafs probably yes for 2 more years. But in his 4th year if CAP goes to 100M+ like many are talking about then no. and we got 2 chances for a Cup.
That is a very good question? His type of game may get worse over time. In fact I would bet it does.
hamzarocks
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Marner is an superstar. We have a franchise center and a franchise winger. A healthy rielly can be a franchise defender but is probably a stud 1D (level lower). We have a super star 1C in JT who is gonna get worse slowly. And to top it off we have a star 2 RW in Willy.
The past 2 years have been so disapointing relative to our high expectations we have lost focus. A team takes some time to build. We need a good playoff run and then re evaluate how this team can reach perennial cup contender status.
Maybe we have to sacrifice marner or nylander or someone else for that but we need to have some patience and see how we perform in the playoffs as a near fully healthy team with all of our big 4 playing like studs.
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I think Dubas had a pretty strong feeling there were some big cap increases coming as well and gambled that the bumps would help with the cap crunches, and honestly it looks like it's worked. If the cap goes to $85M, we can re-sign the important RFA's (Dermott, Mikheyev) and not have to trade anyone
but I do think there is significant returns out there for Marner even with his contract, which I think is about $1 to 1.5M too much and a year to two too short to be a market deal. So if the right opportunity comes along, I'm fine with pulling the trigger
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Cant blame him for that ... unless having him on the team is stopping the team from taking the next step or winning a cup.
I don’t think anyone minds paying that much cap for a player top 3 in league scoring or winning Art Ross or Rocket Richard trophy’s, or Stanley cups .... but ..... well, you know where I’m going
I agree it was an overpay with a CAP at 81.5M. But then you gotta consider if you are only going to get back 2 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder and 3rd rounder back is it worth it? It was a tough call I'm sure for Leafs brass. Not the $$$ itself that was chump change for Leafs but more the impact on the CAP itself and building a team with that constraint. But good news is in 2023 the CAP should explode if Gary gets that monster US TV deal done.
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