It's funny how all I basically said was ... personally I feel Canes fans over value Pesce.
The main point of my post was that the return for giving up Nylander and Kadri isn't enough coming back from the Canes... in my opinion... which is allowed... as is your opinion.
But then when your whole post took a turn to be condescending towards my intelligence ... well whatever makes you feel better.
I'm well aware that Rielly needs a better partner. Again not for the price you guys all seem to want. Rielly has 50 points... without Pesce... so I think he's still doing Pretty good without paying that price.
If you don't agree that's fine.
There's no deal to be made. Which I made pretty clear by my post. You don't have to be an ******* though.
It's good to see you can articulate yourself so well... but when you are condescending at the same time without knowing what someone knows about a subject... you lose all credibility.
Forgive me if I don't care about internet credibility. This is a debate forum, I care only about your the argument you present. Clearly you and I have dissimilar opinions as you state: "Defensive defenseman don't fetch as much in a return. He has 66 points in 257 games". My issue with your post is this argument lacks thoughtfulness (as well as being historically inaccurate). Why do you think "defensive D" lack value? Because they are generally though of as slow or lack mobility? Because they don't pinch or join the rush? Because they are unable to contribute to offense? I think you'd find that none of this traditional "defensive D" reasoning applies to Pesce. A 1st pairing two-way D's value should be not be dictated by his points and his value as an asset isn't significantly different than other roles. More often than not trades exist as a need and surplus from one team filling a need and surplus from another team.
Rielly broke out and has 50 points in-part because because of Ron Hainsey. Hainsey plays the same role in Toronto next to Rielly as he played next to Justin Faulk when Faulk was putting up 40-50 point paces each season. Hainsey is 100% complimentary and constantly deferring to Rielly. Pesce is a 24 year old idealized version of Hainsey who is signed for 5 years beyond this one at $4 million per year.
In contrast, put Seth Jones next to Rielly and I think you would see what I'm getting at. Two guys who constantly want the puck. Two guys who want to be the one taking the shots. Two guys who want to make the breakout pass. Two guys who want to pick their guy to play on defense and expect his partner to shift. It's easy to lose sight of the value of a top-pairing complimentary D who can 1) let their partner be the dynamic #1D they are, 2) constantly concede to their partner's actions on the ice, and 3) do it all while playing top competition.
For the same reasoning I see Leafs fans wanting a player like Josh Manson. I think that route is their best bet. Pick up the guy who will compliment Rielly rather than being so focused on what they are individually.