TSN: McKenzie | O’Reilly would be absolute godsend to Canadiens

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  1. Cobra Commander

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    Honestly the teams ****ed for 8 years already, I dont even mind him trading our pick.
     
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    Max I trade for ROR is Pacioretty, Lindgren and one of our seconds. I'd have to think about trading Juulsen long and hard. He's not untouchable when we have a better version of him in Brook but if we can strike a deal without him involved, that'd be great. Also, if the plan for BUF is to make the playoffs, we could take Moulson off their hands.
     
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    Only Slippin' Jimmy could pull that trade off. MB isn't slick enough to fool anyone.
     
  5. Lebowski

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    O'Reilly would be a tremendous addition, but I don't think he's a #1 center on a cup winning team.

    A great #2, absolutely. But he'd essentially be another prime Plekanec. Not a bad thing, but would clearly not be enough. Would be an upgrade, but I'd be worried of the assets we'd have to part with to get him.

    I'd agree to trade for him assuming we can sign Tavares. Otherwise, it'd be kicking the rock down the road in our perpetual cycle of mediocrity.
     
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    Nailed it.
     
  7. Tomas Tatahhh

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    I agree 100% that he's not a much better than Plek was in his prime, but it really depends on what angle we are going to take for next season. If we want to get back into the playoffs, ROR is a good target (although his attitude is pretty meh). He never said that he plays like a little girl but he doesn't have the most positive attitude or mental fortitude.
     
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    Obviously I expect Bergevin to show his complete lack of foresight yet again and go all out in hopes to save his butt by making the playoffs. To me that's a foregone conclusion. He can't afford another losing season.
     
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    O'reilly is a better player than Plekanec in his prime, no doubt. That said, if we acquire him and expect him to be the go to guy, we are still in trouble.
     
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    Prime Pleky > Prime O'reilly
     
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    A better version of him in Brook? Let’s not get ahead of ourselves yet. Juulsen has shown he can play a shift in the NHL. Josh Brook almost fell to the 3rd round.
     
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    I don't know. The production is similar. The two-way acumen is similar.

    I guess O'Reilly is bigger and Canadian, so I get the major appeal he'd have for a guy like Bergevin. I'm not sure I buy the hype entirely, though. I'm not especially impressed by O'Reilly's skill level, which is another thing where you can draw parallels with Plekanec.

    Again, to me it depends on where the team is headed. He'd be a great addition, but it depends on how you surround him. If you add O'Reilly at the cost of guys like Galchenyuk and/or Mete, I really don't think we stand to gain much.
     
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    O'reilly is not flashy, but he is a better offensive player then Plekanec, score goals in many ways and is tough on the puck. He's a player that can make his line roll. Plekanec gave you the impression he was a 3rd liner who got tons of playing time and that's why he got his points, no real offensive threat to his game. And I agree with your second paragraph.
     
  14. Lebowski

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    You're talking about the Plekanec of the recent years, which totally isn't fair to the guy that used to center the AK-Plek-AK46 line.

    He used to be a dangerous all-around player too.
     
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    6th overall for ROR as a base is something I could see bergevin doing.
     
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    I would cry
     
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    I can definitely see it, and that's what worries me.
     
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    No, I'm talking about Plekanec of the last 7 years or so. The recent years he's been garbage. It's no coincidence he was a playoff dud all his career, a player that was asked too much of.
     
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    To be constructive, you need content
     
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    I smell a huge overpayment on MB side

    dont trust him at all

    most of his trades have been aweful
     
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    Prime Plekanec, or peak Plekanec, was before that time frame.
     
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    So his prime ended at 27 years old?
     
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    Plekanec’s last prime year was 2015.
     
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    His statistical peak was along those lines, yes. Just like it is for most forwards in the league.

    He had two 70ish points seasons in a 3 years span. Prime Plekanec was a low-end first liner, deluxe 2nd line center. I guess you could argue some of that overlapped in the first couple of years of Bergevin's tenure. Even if it did, the numbers are what they are, and nothing really shows what you're advocating in terms of O'Reilly being definitely better than a prime Plekanec.
     
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    Meh, at that point he was a glorified plumber despite the production. It's no coincidence skilled players went cold when put on his line, he played a very linear north south game with very minimal ability to feed his linemates.
     

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