Matthews,Marner,Rielly Vs Eichel,Skinner,Dahlin Which trio for the future?

[Pierce Hawthorne]

For me it would be:


Matthews = Eichel
Marner>Skinner
Dahlin>Rielly



The gap between Dahlin and Rielly is going to be much larger then the gap between Marner and Eichel however. So I'd be going with Buffalo here largely because of Dahlin. He's going to be a legit generational Defender.

 

[zeke]

Eichel (19-20): 142gms, 19:28, 48gls, 113pts (82gms, 28gls, 65pts)
Marner (19-20): 159gms, 16:36, 41gls, 130pts (82gms, 21gls, 67pts)
Eichel Career: 209gms, 19:41, 73gls, 177pts (82gms, 29gls, 69pts)

Eichel (19-20): ES 15:32, 1.66p60, 1.31p160 / PP 2:59, 6.25p60, 4.69p160
Marner (19-20): ES 13:49, 2.08p60, 1.53p160 / PP 2:16, 7.49p60, 5.16p160
Eichel Career: ES 15:19, 1.80p60, 1.44p160 / PP 3:10, 5.69p60, 3.79p160

Career Highs

Eichel 25gls, 39ast, 64pts (age 21)
Marner 22gls, 47ast, 69pts (age 20)

 

[clunk]

Matthews is nothing close to generational. Just stop it. Leafs fans are seriously the worst.

Not a Leafs fan. In fact, I hate them...

But by my definition, Matthews is 'generational'. In fact, I think he'll be a top 5 Leaf player of all time, perhaps the best of all time.

The definition of each label is pretty subjective.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Matthews is nothing close to generational. Just stop it. Leafs fans are seriously the worst.

Yet others have called Dahlin generational and he's played a grand total of 0 NHL games. It's one thing to have a lot of hype which he does, however that's where it ends at for him.

 

[Snippit]

1) Matthews
2) Dahlin
3) Marner
.
.
.
4) Rielly
5) Eichel
6) Skinner

All hail the legend.

 

[Tage2Tuch]

Eichel (19-20): 142gms, 19:28, 48gls, 113pts (82gms, 28gls, 65pts)
Marner (19-20): 159gms, 16:36, 41gls, 130pts (82gms, 21gls, 67pts)
Eichel Career: 209gms, 19:41, 73gls, 177pts (82gms, 29gls, 69pts)

Eichel (19-20): ES 15:32, 1.66p60, 1.31p160 / PP 2:59, 6.25p60, 4.69p160
Marner (19-20): ES 13:49, 2.08p60, 1.53p160 / PP 2:16, 7.49p60, 5.16p160
Eichel Career: ES 15:19, 1.80p60, 1.44p160 / PP 3:10, 5.69p60, 3.79p160

Career Highs

Eichel 25gls, 39ast, 64pts (age 21)
Marner 22gls, 47ast, 69pts (age 20)

I know it's cute that you want to bury Eichel and all as much as you can but I hope you realize these two things.

Matthews hasn't even performed better then Eichel in a single season.


16-17 AM 0.84
16-17 JE 0.94

17-18 AM 0.95 (FULL SEASON W/PLAYOFFS)
17-18 JE 0.95



Infact Eichel has averaged more Points Per Game then Matthews since Auston entered this league. (0.94 PPG > 0.88 PPG) Matthews PPG including Playoffs may even be 0.87 or 0.,86 I didn't adjust playoffs in this one.


Kind of embarrassing for Matthews the guy zeke is comparing to McDavid of all people because this shouldn't be close at all with Eichel's two ankle sprains in those years and a league low offense total of 198 goals, and Bylsma-Rookie Head Coach in First year-No Stars on line.


SO yeah, keep talking about how Marner is better and Matthews is as good as McDavid Zeke. No one is listening,.

 

[Tage2Tuch]

A huge reason for the Sabres leading these polls is all the people voting against the Leafs.

OR

It could be that Buffalo has 2 players as good as The 1 Leaf Player that is on there level.

THAT COULD be by Buffalo is winning.

LOL @ Victim Complex.

If this was true why do Leafs win other polls?

You guys just can't tale the fact we have 2 better players.

 

[zeke]

SO yeah, keep talking about how Marner is better and Matthews is as good as McDavid Zeke. No one is listening,.

This is not something to be proud of, btw.

 

[Spirit of 67]

I'll take the Leafs.
Going with the team that doesn't have the weakest link. (Skinner)

I didn't use it as a reason because I don't think I needed to but Skinner's concussion history would also make me a bit wary.

 

[zeke]

Career

Auston (21.0): 144gms, 17:51, 74gls, 132pts (82gms, 42gls, 75pts)
Eichel (22.0): 209gms, 19:41, 73gls, 177pts (82gms, 29gls, 70pts)
Marner (21.5): 159gms, 16:36, 41gls, 130pts (82gms, 21gls, 67pts)

AM (21.0): ES 15:00 (A- qc), 2.59p60, 2.34p160, +0.7cfrel, +2.2xgfrel / PP 2:20, 6.29p60, 4.49p160
MM (21.5): ES 13:49 (B qc), 2.08p60, 1.53p160, +0.1cfrel, +0.1xgfrel / PP 2:17, 7.49p60, 5.16p160
JE (22.0): ES 15:18 (B+ qc), 1.80p60, 1.44p160, -0.1cfrel, +0.1xgfrel / PP 3:10, 5.69p60, 3.79p160


Eichel keeps getting compared to the wrong leaf.

 

[Atomos2]

Matthews is nothing close to generational. Just stop it. Leafs fans are seriously the worst.

Leaf fans are the worst right? Meanwhile, the only team to graduate into a contender out of the top 5 from the legendary 2015 mcdavid draft just happens to be the Leafs. Figure that one out.

 

[sufferer]

Figure that one out.

Mike Babcock.

 

[PinkFly]

Matthews is nothing close to generational. Just stop it. Leafs fans are seriously the worst.

Then why does everyone call him the reincarnation of Mario Lemieux?

 

[PinkFly]

What drama queen antics are you talking about, care to provide any examples?

Just look at the Bysmal/Eichel saga. Eichel is a non superstar that wants superstar treatment.

 

[CujosMask]

Jeff Skinner being in this poll is just weird.

 

[zeke]

Jeff Skinner being in this poll is just weird.

right?

just stuck in a random 50pt 26yr old winger into a group of elite young talent for some reason.

I mean, Reinhart would also be the weakest player in the group, but at least he would make some sense being included.

 

[Yackiberg8]

I know it's cute that you want to bury Eichel and all as much as you can but I hope you realize these two things.

Matthews hasn't even performed better then Eichel in a single season.


16-17 AM 0.84
16-17 JE 0.94

17-18 AM 0.95 (FULL SEASON W/PLAYOFFS)
17-18 JE 0.95



Infact Eichel has averaged more Points Per Game then Matthews since Auston entered this league. (0.94 PPG > 0.88 PPG) Matthews PPG including Playoffs may even be 0.87 or 0.,86 I didn't adjust playoffs in this one.


Kind of embarrassing for Matthews the guy zeke is comparing to McDavid of all people because this shouldn't be close at all with Eichel's two ankle sprains in those years and a league low offense total of 198 goals, and Bylsma-Rookie Head Coach in First year-No Stars on line.


SO yeah, keep talking about how Marner is better and Matthews is as good as McDavid Zeke. No one is listening,.

I like Eichel and think he is a great player but it is funny how in your direct comparisons above you don't include Matthews playoff performance in 16-17 that would boost his numbers and then include his 17-18 to bring his numbers down to fit your narrative lol. Not too mention your full sentence of excuses.

Eichel has been good and will only get better but Matthews has definitely been better so far. 40 goals as a rookie, over a PPG in his second season (45 goal pace). Eichel is older and hasn't cracked PPG yet and barely cracked a 30 goal pace.

 

[sufferer]

Just look at the Bysmal/Eichel saga. Eichel is a non superstar that wants superstar treatment.

Maybe you should.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Is Skinner seriously Buffalo's second best offensive player? Yikes.

That D is looking really good though.

Why "yikes"? Skinner is 1 year removed from scoring 37G, 63 points on a very low scoring Canes team and 2nd unit PP time. Those numbers would have been 2nd best on the Leafs that season and 3rd best this season. Yah, he had a bad year, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a 30+ goal, 60+ points this coming season. He's one of the NHL's top goal scorers, particularly ES, over his career. Only these 9 players have more ES goals than Skinner since he's been in the league: Ovi, Stamkos, Perry, Kane, Tavares, Marchand, Kessel, Seguin, Nash.

Not commenting about his inclusion in this poll, but he could easily be 2nd best scorer on Buffalo.

 

[IPS]

I'd take Marner over Eichel easily. It's not hard to tell Eichel is a narcissistic locker room cancer who's helped Buffalo make exactly zero progress since he was drafted. And why exactly did they trade ROR? You'd think a high-2nd 2-way center like him would help buffalo get in the playoffs. Perhaps he wasn't a fan of Eichel's diva act? Very possible. When you look at the overall picture it's really not hard to see how Marner can be more valuable to a team than Eichel.

 

[PinkFly]

I'd take Marner over Eichel easily. It's not hard to tell Eichel is a narcissistic locker room cancer who's helped Buffalo make exactly zero progress since he was drafted. And why exactly did they trade ROR? You'd think a high-2nd 2-way center like him would help buffalo get in the playoffs. Perhaps he wasn't a fan of Eichel's diva act? Very possible. When you look at the overall picture it's really not hard to see how Marner can be more valuable to a team than Eichel.

I think everyone that isn't a Buffalo fan or leafs hater would take Marner.

Eichel's tendency to try to pry away GM duties from actual GM's is very concerning and immature.

 

[IPS]

I think everyone that isn't a Buffalo fan or leafs hater would take Marner.

Eichel's tendency to try to pry away GM duties from actual GM's is very concerning and immature.

How many times did Buffalo fans try telling us that it was coaching that was the issue? And how Eichel was going to break out under Housley?

I don't think coaching is the issue at all there, there's a huge lockerroom problem there. And I guarantee 100% it's Eichel who's causing it.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

How many times did Buffalo fans try telling us that it was coaching that was the issue? And how Eichel was going to break out under Housley?

I don't think coaching is the issue at all there, there's a huge lockerroom problem there. And I guarantee 100% it's Eichel who's causing it.

Yeah, I'm sure a questionable Leafs poster on Hockey's Future is a good source of what's going on in the Buffalo Sabres' locker room.

 

[loyaltotheend]

I know it's cute that you want to bury Eichel and all as much as you can but I hope you realize these two things.

Matthews hasn't even performed better then Eichel in a single season.


16-17 AM 0.84
16-17 JE 0.94

17-18 AM 0.95 (FULL SEASON W/PLAYOFFS)
17-18 JE 0.95



Infact Eichel has averaged more Points Per Game then Matthews since Auston entered this league. (0.94 PPG > 0.88 PPG) Matthews PPG including Playoffs may even be 0.87 or 0.,86 I didn't adjust playoffs in this one.


Kind of embarrassing for Matthews the guy zeke is comparing to McDavid of all people because this shouldn't be close at all with Eichel's two ankle sprains in those years and a league low offense total of 198 goals, and Bylsma-Rookie Head Coach in First year-No Stars on line.


SO yeah, keep talking about how Marner is better and Matthews is as good as McDavid Zeke. No one is listening,.

I wonder if you're as embarrassed as you should be that you distort things like that to prop your boy up.

They both played the regular season, with very similar total games. But you need to include playoffs (that Jack can't seem to make it to, despite everything you say about him) to try and say Matthews didn't outperform him.

If you want to say he only beat him on a PPG basis once, you'd be right and we'd be back to calling them pretty equal with a slight edge to Matthews.

Distorting things like that just takes away from your credibility

 

[LeafsNation75]

OR

It could be that Buffalo has 2 players as good as The 1 Leaf Player that is on there level.

THAT COULD be by Buffalo is winning.

LOL @ Victim Complex.

If this was true why do Leafs win other polls?

You guys just can't tale the fact we have 2 better players.

Honestly I don't see Jack Eichel being better than Auston Matthews and nothing you say will make me change my opinion about that.

I also believe that Rasmus Dalhin needs to prove he can play at the NHL because there is so many times you can use his hype and potential as a reason why he's better than Morgan Rielly.