Friedman: Matt Murray on the block?

[stepdad gaary]

how is murray overrated when you all want to start casey "domestic abuse" desmith and trade murray?

 

[domaug]

Maybe play better defense in front of him?

this is the correct answer

 

[domaug]

Why is every Pens player so injury prone (other than Kessel)?

Anyways Pens fans what do u want from CGY?

nothing. i would rather keep Murray and see what happens.

 

[domaug]

Pen fans will hate my response

but Murray is signed for one more year and if he has lost his mojo we have a 3.75 back up goalie next year and we will need to sign someone else

at least you got the first part right

 

[domaug]

PIT: Murray and Brassard

for

STL: Allen and Maroon

i almost want to report this for how insultingly bad it is for the Pens

 

[Pancakes]

Murray was always overrated on here. Played for a powerhouse team, had help from Fleury throughout the season and for half a playoff run. He's an average goalie that played on a great team and got hot at the right time.

Pens fans that say it's Pittsburgh's defensive issues, how come DeSmith is putting up much better numbers?

No. Murray was dominant in the AHL and was very good during the cup runs and his first regular season.

He has since struggled but the initial hype was earned.

 

[domaug]

I'd be more than willing to send Lundqvist for Murray if Rutherford can cap crunch.

oh I'm sure you would. i would hope the Pens wouldn't.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Should have moved him when his value was high and retained Fleury. It’s near impossible to move out a goaltender playing poorly unless they roll the dice on another tender straight up like Allen

It's funny how goaltending works out. Everyone would have laughed at the Pens if they traded Murray then instead of Fleury, and now you're right, it shows that was the right move, unless Murray bounces back of course. Pens fans would have been calling for heads to roll had they traded Murray and retained Fleury at that time.

 

[One Winged Angel]

oh I'm sure you would. i would hope the Pens wouldn't.

You'd be correct. That's why I said what I said.

 

[Volica]

He hasn't been the same since his father, who he was super close with, passed away.

Calgary has Hamonic, the guy who's channeled the same thing into something very positive here for us. Like, grace of God type positive in Calgary. People forget that these guys are still super young men and this'll have an impact.

That all being said, a Murray + Brassard trade for Calgary makes a lot of sense. Calgary could use a goalie who's played at the highest level, and a depth centre/wing.

Where do the trade start from our standpoint? I'd prefer futures over current roster, because it looks like we have a shot to make some noise here.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Calgary has Hamonic, the guy who's channeled the same thing into something very positive here for us. Like, grace of God type positive in Calgary. People forget that these guys are still super young men and this'll have an impact.

That all being said, a Murray + Brassard trade for Calgary makes a lot of sense. Calgary could use a goalie who's played at the highest level, and a depth centre/wing.

Where do the trade start from our standpoint? I'd prefer futures over current roster, because it looks like we have a shot to make some noise here.

Pittsburgh is in the same boat, even more all in than we are by a significant margin. It almost has to be currents.

 

[Volica]

Pittsburgh is in the same boat, even more all in than we are by a significant margin. It almost has to be currents.

Yeah, not sure there's a deal to be made, outside of stuff no one really wants. Like, Calgary's not giving up Jankowski for a year of Brassard kind of thing, there's no upgrade there. And Pittsburgh isn't taken Doc off our hands in a trade they'll lose.

 

[SherVaughn30]

If you trade a goaltender that's won two Cups, you have to get back a goaltender who's won two Cups. Thus, the perfect trade is Murray for Quick

In all seriousness, it does seem to me to make some sense. Quick gets injured as often as Murray, but at least the Pens could count on him not having issues "between the ears" (as Friedman puts it) when he is healthy. Also, being signed for 4 more years, until he's 35, may not bother Pittsburgh because that'll carry them through the remaining productive years of their stars.

As for LA, they'd save $2M in cap space and could tolerate Murray struggling or being injured because Cal Petersen would be the #1 or at least #1b. I'm not sure which team would need to add, so maybe that's an indication that a straight swap would be fair... though Pittsburgh may have to thrown in, say, upcoming UFA Riley Sheahan ($2.1M AAV) as a cap dump to balance the numbers.

If Quick were to go to the Pens, it would cost Kessel +! So not gonna happen.

 

[SherVaughn30]

I can see Murray bouncing back... if they address the issues with their defense.

Not gonna happen. Murray is the 2nd most brittle goalie around to #1 Michael "Mr Brittle" Neurvirth! If you are gonna be a main stay #1 goalie in the NHL for any team, you have to be capable of playing regularly 50-65 games a season. Murray can barely breath to play 50 games in a season! Quite frankly he's still a raw goalie(glove mechanics and angling can be awful, he doesn't always use his size to his advantage, and his flaws are masked by the Pens strong offensive attack). His worst enemy is his genetics. The guy is still young and he already has sustained so many injuries that amount to more than what the average goalie goes through in their whole career! He has the talent that got him to the NHL, but he doesn't have the durability of being a true #1 goalie.

 

[SherVaughn30]

Muzzin and Toffoli for Kessel?

More like Muzzin+Toffoli for Kessel+!

 

[domaug]

More like Muzzin+Toffoli for Kessel+!

are you lost?

 

[ziggyjoe212]

Why would the Pens trade MM when his trade value is at it's lowest? He was a beast in both of his rookie years. We rather keep him and hope he rebounds than trade him for scraps.

Plus both Jarry and DeSmith are solid. Don't forget at one point Jarry was on par with MM as a prospect.

 

[SherVaughn30]

He'll bounce back.

He'll break his back before he bounces back!

 

[domaug]

He'll break his back before he bounces back!

no really are you lost? did Matt Murray key your car or something?

 

[KaraLupin]

Rutherford flat out shot this down today:

Yohe: Jim Rutherford isn't worried about Matt Murray ... yet...



The "soft rumors" may be "if Murray doesn't figure his stuff out, the Penguins may do something after the season".

Quoted for visibility

 

[SherVaughn30]

are you lost?

Kessel is just a scoring winger. He doesn't play a 2-way game. Kings don't need a younger Kovalchuk type. If Kessel doesn't have a good setup center, then his numbers easily drop!

 

[wej20]

Kessel is just a scoring winger. He doesn't play a 2-way game. Kings don't need a younger Kovalchuk type. If Kessel doesn't have a good setup center, then his numbers easily drop!

Did you miss Kessel's time in Toronto?

 

[SherVaughn30]

no really are you lost? did Matt Murray key your car or something?

Nope! I have followed NHL goalies almost religiously for decades. Based off of what I seen over the years, Murray is on a path to end with a short career because of the injuries he has sustained so far. All the injuries are derailing his development to become a consistent NHL goalie. GMJR was a goalie himself, so he's gonna have a little more patience than most GM's. But at some point, sooner rather than later, there becomes a turning point that if Murray continues to struggle mentally and physically, then you have to cut ties. The Pens or another team need a goalie that can withstand the rigors of the regular season and not just flip the switch and play great in the playoffs. Using a Star Wars Force reference, Murray's long term projection is clouded.

 

[SherVaughn30]

Did you miss Kessel's time in Toronto?

Nope. Those Leaf's teams were not an offensive disaster like the Kings are now! Kings philosophy are all their players have to put in hard work and play a 2-way game. As good as Kessel's offense can be, he's a terrible fit for the Kings!

 

[Clint Eastwood]

Trading Murray would be monumentally stupid.