Disney keeps insisting Captain Marvel will be the face of the MCU moving forward. Whether or not fans embrace that has yet to be seen.
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Disney keeps insisting Captain Marvel will be the face of the MCU moving forward. Whether or not fans embrace that has yet to be seen.
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I would have been more than willing to bet he would have gotten the third movie of his trilogy in Phase 5. Doubt they would wait that long between movies.
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Well we might know later this week if they announce phase 5 films at D23.
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'Spider-Man' Standoff: Why Sony Thinks It Doesn't Need "Kevin's Playbook" Anymore
If true, that doesn't paint Sony as the "good guy" in this battle of the greedy.
If true, that doesn't paint Sony as the "good guy" in this battle of the greedy.
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Spiderman will be back imo.
It might not be in the near future, but i am willing to predict that Spiderman will go back to being in the mcu.
It might not be in the near future, but i am willing to predict that Spiderman will go back to being in the mcu.
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Why is it a stupid decision by Sony? They should be applauded for not bending over to Disney.
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Because without Feige involved, their Spider-Man movies will suck. They said he helped with stuff he wasn't even credited for, maybe Into the Spiderverse as well? Point is, even with a 50-50 split on production costs and profit sharing, Sony would still make a lot money. Their track record without Feige is not so good on the live action front after Spider-Man 2 and before Homecoming.
There's also rumors that Disney wanted at least 30% cost and profit sharing and even that was a no go for Sony.
Tom Holland seemed to have made it clear he wants to stay in the MCU:
Even his dad got in the act:
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If he stays in the MCU, it would be interesting when they'd be able to get it film out. The Marvel release calendar is pretty crowded right now.
They have the next two years locked down. I think beyond that, the next likeliest projects to get released are GOTG3 and Black Panther 2. There's also franchises like Captain Marvel and Antman which Matvel is trying to get out and are safe money makers for them.
And then there's new projects and characters on the horizon, including Blade or whatever they're planning with the Fox properties.
Unless Marvel bumps up their output to 4 films a year, you can easily see a scenario where a MCU Spiderman film could only come in 2024 or later, even without this fighting in the background.
Edit: The more I think about the scheduling, I'm wondering if this is one's if the negotiation issues. Sony would want a Spiderman film in development right away as it's their biggest franchise. For Marvel, it's a much smaller priority that can be pushed off a few years.
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They don't need him to keep them alive but it just seemed that they were gearing their storylines and some of the marketing towards him. I mean he is the most popular superhero of all time so its a good choice, I just figured they'd want a deal done before Far From Home came out.
Not a bad choice either.
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I have no strong feelings one way or the other.
In my opinion it would've been better if Spider-Man wasn't in the MCU to begin with. Especially if this was going to happen. But, even before that him being in the MCU has taken everything away from what Spider-Man used to be about. We haven't seen him go through a grind (like fighting multiple supervillains), be torn between being Peter/Spidey and he has like zero financial trouble thanks to Tony. His only issue is that he's scared he won't be able to fill Iron Man's shoes. Might as well call him "Iron Boy with spider powers".
I think it'll be better for the MCU too. They can focus on bringing up other heroes and storylines that rarely see the light of day.
I think it'll be better for the MCU too. They can focus on bringing up other heroes and storylines that rarely see the light of day.
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Ummm… have you not watched the MCU movies? They have very much touched on this, especially in Far From Home
Ummm… have you not watched the MCU movies? They have very much touched on this, especially in Far From Home
One of the best scenes in the MCU is exactly this. And they did it better than any other Spider-Man movie ever has.
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Also, in Far From Home, the conflict is escalated because Peter wants to just go and enjoy his trip with MJ.
Yeah true, thats the entire set up of the movie.
I did find it weird though that Aunt May was pushing him to take his suit instead of pushing him to relax and "just be a kid".
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Not enough compared to what Spider-Man is worth. Having Feige make the film was worth the investment of production costs because it was a guaranteed hit for them. But you don’t want to cap the value at 50% ($450-550 million, give or take) when you’ve just proven that a Spider-Man villain can make over $850 million.
Marvel jumpstarted the MCU on the backs of Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America. If you’re Sony and you’ve got Venom and Spider-Man who are proven commodities, how do you not at least take a chance on Morbius (risky) and Black Cat (less risky) and a team-up movie with those four leads against Carnage?
Trying to replicate the 2008-2012 MCU formula is a tall order, but it’s going to be a lot easier with both Spider-Man and Venom doing the heavy lifting than just Venom. And if it doesn’t pan out, it’s not like Disney is never going to come to the table again. Spider-Man movie rights are always going to have value. The worst Sony can do is put themselves in the exact same position they were in when they took this deal in the first place.
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Some very good points, but I think you do undersell the underlying risk here to Sony.
They can go it alone, but if audiences don't react well to a Spiderman outside the MCU, and they see declining returns like they were out of the Andrew Garfield ones, they get faced with continuing to push out breakeven or even money losing films, or have the rights revert back to Marvel.
There's no guarantee Marvel comes back to the table. They're made the deal initially as Fiege seemed to want Spiderman for a specific storyline. If they feel they don't really need the character at that point in time, they can try and force Sony's hand.
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It sucks for us fans caught in the middle and it may be a horrible business decision from Sony but executives being what they are I wonder if it isn't more a quantity thing than a revenue split. Like under MCU Spiderman will appear in the odd Marvel movie (Civil War, Avengers) but otherwise they have so many movies to make that a stand alone Spiderman film is only going to come out every 4-5 years. With comic book movies and Spidey in particular being such a big hit these days you have to wonder if some higher ups think they can do better cranking out more quantity on their own, trying to make that whole "Spider-verse" thing work as their own MCU/DCU.
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The Sony movies will likely suck again and the MCU has lost too many beloved characters recently to get away unscathed too.
Losing Iron Man, Captain America, and Spider-Man within a matter of months is going to hurt. I have severe doubts that the likes of Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange are going to be as successful doing the heavy lifting in the "team up" movies.
Losing Iron Man, Captain America, and Spider-Man within a matter of months is going to hurt. I have severe doubts that the likes of Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange are going to be as successful doing the heavy lifting in the "team up" movies.
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As successful as before? Probably not. But I think they can be successful. Seems like people really are coming around on Dr. Strange. Black Panther will be able to hold his own. And let's not forget they still have Thor, the Guardians, and eventually the F4 & X-Men.
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Of course - it's the Disney juggernaut. But I could see things slipping a la Star Wars.
Things were already going to be in flux on account of the Infinity Saga ending, and losing another great bit of casting for an iconic character - this time without wrapping things up neatly - takes more air out of the balloon and represents another hit to the continuity, which is one of the MCU's biggest draws. I have less of a vested interest in the remaining heros...it's nice to see Thor's still around, but who knows what they're planning for Hemsworth.
This is one of those break-ups that's going to negatively affect both parties. They're much better together and should have done everything to find a way to make it work.
discostu
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By all logic, the next decade for Marvel should be less successful than the last. Their run has been unprecedented, and it should be unsustainable.
That said, I see too many surefire hits in their pipeline. The next two years of projects recently announced are probably the riskiest period they've had. Yet, when you look at the calendar from other studios, it's hard to find other projects that you'd expect to outperform.
Barring audiences from really turning on superheros as a preferred genre, I think Marvel films will continue to be among the biggest hits of the year.
That said, I see too many surefire hits in their pipeline. The next two years of projects recently announced are probably the riskiest period they've had. Yet, when you look at the calendar from other studios, it's hard to find other projects that you'd expect to outperform.
Barring audiences from really turning on superheros as a preferred genre, I think Marvel films will continue to be among the biggest hits of the year.
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