Movies: Marvel Cinematic Universe Discussion - Part 3

[Jussi]

That's a problem in most franchises, but you didn't answer my question

Well Olicity definitely was an issue for long but they sort of got it to a tolerable level last season.

 

[izzy]

The recent MCU films are far better than what DC has been producing, and the Marvel/Netflix shows were lightyears ahead of the crap DC puts on TV, but still, nothing from the MCU comes close to Linklater's Batman trilogy. And I expect more from the new Joker movie than from pretty much anything coming from Marvel.

whats linklater to batman

 

[Shockmaster]

I will say, if this doesn't get fixed... there will definitely be a good amount of pressure on Sony for the next Spider-Man movie. They're going to look pretty bad if the movie does poorly. But that's not what I'm hoping for. As much as I love the MCU, I'm all for a successful Spider/Venomverse over at Sony too.

Would Sony even be allowed to reference anything that happened with Spiderman in the MCU? If not, and Tom Holland is still Spiderman, that's gonna be really hard to sell.

 

[OhCaptainMyCaptain]

Would Sony even be allowed to reference anything that happened with Spiderman in the MCU? If not, and Tom Holland is still Spiderman, that's gonna be really hard to sell.

They can reference stuff they have the rights to, but I don't think they could reference Iron Man, for example. Going to make it really weird.

 

[Shockmaster]

They can reference stuff they have the rights to, but I don't think they could reference Iron Man, for example. Going to make it really weird.

Yeah, that's why I just can't see it working out for very long if it's Tom Holland. But I don't think they can do yet another reboot so soon.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Yeah, that's why I just can't see it working out for very long if it's Tom Holland. But I don't think they can do yet another reboot so soon.

Tom Holland is a great spiderman as well.

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

whats linklater to batman

Ahahah, wishful thinking? Meant Nolan, obviously.

 

[izzy]

Ahahah, wishful thinking? Meant Nolan, obviously.

i spent like 10 minutes looking to see where he might have been connected haha

 

[Pilky01]

I’d rather see them do a “gritty” Spider-Man 4 with Tobey McGuire than try and make a Tom Holland movie that can’t even acknowledge his character development from basically the last 5 movies.

There is no sense in trying to integrate him into a solo Sony-verse if they can’t even reference this stuff. Just reboot it again. Not that that would be good, but it would be better than a hamstrung Holland mess.

 

[Suxnet]

You ever watched a Spider-Man movie before?

Everyone has. What's so special about what Disney is doing with Spider-Man that hasn't already been seen before?

 

[OhCaptainMyCaptain]

Everyone has. What's so special about what Disney is doing with Spider-Man that hasn't already been seen before?

Well, this is weird. First people complain that they don't like what the MCU has done with Spider-Man, and now we get complaints that they haven't done anything new. ME SO CONFUSED.

 

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

I’d rather see them do a “gritty” Spider-Man 4 with Tobey McGuire than try and make a Tom Holland movie that can’t even acknowledge his character development from basically the last 5 movies.

There is no sense in trying to integrate him into a solo Sony-verse if they can’t even reference this stuff. Just reboot it again. Not that that would be good, but it would be better than a hamstrung Holland mess.

I certainly don't know for sure, but I'd imagine Vulture and Mysterio and their associated stories are all Sony's property, not Marvel so it isn't like this makes everything that came before it irrelevant. My guess is that the hands-off material would be Iron Man, the snap, The Avengers etc. But they already dealt with that stuff and the fallout of it in Far From Home. The last movie wasn't just a break in MCU's story, but in Spider-Man's as well. The point they leave off at is one where the story can go in its own direction without the MCU (or direct referencing of the Avengers). We don't really need another movie of Peter being sad about Tony. As for Spider-Man's role with the Avengers ... that's Marvel's fault for giving him a big role when they don't control him. That's a Marvel problem, not a Sony problem. (And why I think Sony has more leverage than people believe).

Scrapping it and starting again would just be some weak appeasement to Marvel and its fans. Sony has a big ol' home run of a hit with a great cast (minus the supporting MCU people who aren't essential to a Spider-Man story anyway) and a good creative direction. Giving that up would be moronic.

 

[Suxnet]

Well, this is weird. First people complain that they don't like what the MCU has done with Spider-Man, and now we get complaints that they haven't done anything new. ME SO CONFUSED.

It can be both bud. They've made poor decisions with him. That's the whole point.

 

[OhCaptainMyCaptain]

It can be both bud. They've made poor decisions with him. That's the whole point.

Not sure how they can be both too similar and not similar enough at the same time, but alright, bud.

But yeah... 90% critic rating. 95% audience rating on Rotten. Highest grossing Sony film ever.

Clearly they made very poor decisions.

 

[Jussi]

It can be both bud. They've made poor decisions with him. That's the whole point.

Facts don't exactly back up that claim.

 

[missingmika]

I’d rather see them do a “gritty” Spider-Man 4 with Tobey McGuire than try and make a Tom Holland movie that can’t even acknowledge his character development from basically the last 5 movies.

There is no sense in trying to integrate him into a solo Sony-verse if they can’t even reference this stuff. Just reboot it again. Not that that would be good, but it would be better than a hamstrung Holland mess.

Go Into the SpiderVerse. Kill Peter Parker in the first 10 mins and focus on Miles.

 

[Suxnet]

I guess CoD games are the GOAT. Low effort, low creativity media that appeals to the lowest common denominator. Those are the facts.

 

[OhCaptainMyCaptain]

I guess CoD games are the GOAT. Low effort, low creativity media that appeals to the lowest common denominator. Those are the facts.

Who called Spider-Man the GOAT?

Also, trash comparison in the first place.

 

[Jussi]

I guess CoD games are the GOAT. Low effort, low creativity media that appeals to the lowest common denominator. Those are the facts.

Marvel Studios films check the boxes on 3 main categories: critical reception, financial results and fan reception. CoD doesn't.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

Kinda just reinforces what I’ve said for a while now, that the Civil War->End Game period will be viewed as the MCU’s peak.

Hasn’t everyone been saying this? Lol

 

[Shockmaster]

Uh... how did we start comparing the MCU to the CoD franchise? You have to have a really warped sense of reality to think those two things are even remotely comparable.

 

[Pilky01]

Go Into the SpiderVerse. Kill Peter Parker in the first 10 mins and focus on Miles.

I really like this idea. Would be very ‘subversive’ and a great way to make a clean break away from MCU Spidey.

Hasn’t everyone been saying this? Lol

Not the people who think Black Panther and Captain Marvel’s success was because of diversity. They think the MCU is just getting started.

 

[Jussi]

Uh... how did we start comparing the MCU to the CoD franchise? You have to have a really warped sense of reality to think those two things are even remotely comparable.

It's almost...shocking.

 

[OhCaptainMyCaptain]

Not the people who think Black Panther and Captain Marvel’s success was because of diversity. They think the MCU is just getting started.

Nah, they just think the diversity can help it stay relevant instead of completely falling off, which is a very valid thought. I don't think Marvel will ever get back to where they were, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're going to completely fall off either. And expanding your audiences with movies like Captain Marvel, Black Panther, Shang-Chi, etc. only helps that.

 

[Suxnet]

Marvel Studios films check the boxes on 3 main categories: critical reception, financial results and fan reception. CoD doesn't.

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Yeah sure man.