Value of: Marner Relative to Draisaitl **pleaes re-read OP POST**

[Spawn]

Uh oh.

Looks like the OP is getting a bit salty his thread backfired on him.

 

[2legit2quit]

Scoring on the Power Play is an ART.

Only few NHLers have it broken down.

How can you belittle a player if they are outstanding on the Power Play. Obviously, this does NOT FIT YOUR NARRATIVE.

 

[2legit2quit]

Did you just learn HTML this week?

Did you take in consideration Marners pp on ice shooting percentage of 19.67%? Or his total time pked all year of 1.967 minutes? Or are you only using using his ice time of the last 10 games of 196 minutes and 7 seconds?

Marner can maintain that shooting % because he has mastered the art of the PP.

He only shoots at high % chances.

Obviously you don't watch the leafs. Why are you spewing B.S. without stats? And you don't even watch MARNER! LMAO

 

[hockeyguy1967]

Marner can maintain that shooting % because he has mastered the art of the PP.

He only shoots at high % chances.

Obviously you don't watch the leafs. Why are you spewing B.S. without stats? And you don't even watch MARNER! LMAO

 

[McFlyingV]

They are CURRENTLY on par or better than Draisaitl. TAKE NOTE that Perron/Rielly are older than Draisaitl. There is a reason why Vegas is a top 5 team in the NHL ---- It is largely due to the play of Rielly/Perron, and others obviously.

And also factor in that Draisaitl IS 2 YEARS OLDER THAN Marner ... Yet Marner is = to Draisaitl in stats.

I am not your 11th Grade Pre-Calc Teacher. Honestly, if you use CRITICAL THINKING, you will see that when you factor in PK time, Marner's P/60 drop WILL STILL BE CLOSE TO DRAISAITL'S P/60

To further elaborate .............

• Marner's P/60 would drop from 3.0 TO 2.7 OR 2.5 OR 2.6
• Draisaitl's current P/60 = 2.7

Now you're just changing your argument to age-related when this entire time we've been talking in the context of the present.

Im not sure why I would use critical thinking to see that. I never made an argument that Marner's P/60 would be far inferior to Draisaitl's if he PKed, I merely pointed out why your P/60 stats were flawed, just like I pointed out why your CF and FF% were flawed in my earlier posts. Perhaps this "eye test" straw man argument that you've posed in your previous posts is a better approach for you. Its quite clear that you're struggling immensely with statistics.

 

[2legit2quit]

Uh oh.

Looks like the OP is getting a bit salty his thread backfired on him.

Not really.
I used stats. Others spew B.S., and used no stats.

I showed that Marner has FEWER Turnovers. GREATER Takeaways. And has ~= P/60 When you factor in P/60 with PK USAGE.

What more stats do I have to use?

Why don't you show me stats? Oh wait, you don't have any.


Just accept the reality, you have no stats, you are basing this off of your ROSE COLOURED OILERS RAY BANS.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Oh, and giveaways are an absolutely meaningless stat. It provides about as much insight as plus minus.

You see, good players are on the ice more (see, Draisaitl being on the ice more than Marner) and in a wider variety of situations (defensive zone draws, the PK, the final minute of periods, that sort of thing). Because they play more, they touch the puck more. Because they’re touching the puck more, they lose the puck more.

Have a quick look at the league leaders in giveaways the last few seasons / Burns,
Subban, Gaudreau this year - what a bunch of bums THOSE guys are.

Very curious to see noted Leaf Jake Gardiner in the top 3, though, he had 105. Kris Russell had 72. I’ll draw up the trade papers, I’m sure you guys would love to beef up your defence a bit. Gardiner’s giveaways are costing your team!

 

[2legit2quit]

Now you're just changing your argument to age-related when this entire time we've been talking in the context of the present.

Im not sure why I would use critical thinking to see that. I never made an argument that Marner's P/60 would be far inferior to Draisaitl's if he PKed, I merely pointed out why your P/60 stats were flawed, just like I pointed out why your CF and FF% were flawed in my earlier posts. Perhaps this "eye test" straw man argument that you've posed in your previous posts is a better approach for you. Its quite clear that you're struggling immensely with statistics.

So all of my stats show that either

• Marner > Draisaitl (P/60, Takeaways, Turnovers, Blocked Shots, etc)
• Where the F. are your stats?
• NO where ------ You dont have any!!!

 

[2legit2quit]

Oh, and giveaways are an absolutely meaningless stat. It provides about as much insight as plus minus.

You see, good players are on the ice more (see, Draisaitl being on the ice more than Marner) and in a wider variety of situations (defensive zone draws, the PK, the final minute of periods, that sort of thing). Because they play more, they touch the puck more. Because they’re touching the puck more, they lose the puck more.

Have a quick look at the league leaders in giveaways the last few seasons / Burns,
Subban, Gaudreau this year - what a bunch of bums THOSE guys are.

Very curious to see noted Leaf Jake Gardiner in the top 3, though, he had 105. Kris Russell had 72. I’ll draw up the trade papers, I’m sure you guys would love to beef up your defence a bit. Gardiner’s giveaways are costing your team!

Why don't I let you figure this one out??

Marner plays on the Le______

Leafs can roll 4 Li______

Oilers are forced to give heavy minutes to Dra_____ due to lack of depth

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Please tell me when the NHL Reduces Power Play Goals to the value of 1/2

This is not badminton or volleyball, or what ever you are confusing hockey with.

Power Play Goal = Even Strength Goal

If it's so easy to score on the P.P. Why can't Leon do it? He plays with FRICKING McDavid.

You respond to anything I wrote so I’ll ask more directly.

Is it easier to score when you have MORE players on the ice than the opponent, or the SAME amount?

One you’ve got that part down, try this one.

Shouldn’t the player that is better at scoring at EVEN STRENGTH (or what over 75% of the game is played at) have MORE value than the guy that only produces at an elite rate when given a numbers advantage?

What’s more dangerous, one bear or one wolf?

 

[2legit2quit]

O.K. --- Where are your Oilers Fans' stats THAT SHOW THAT DRAISAITL > MARNER??

• There are no such stats.
• So please, stop making such statements based off your homerism.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

He is ignoring these stats that I provided @McFlyingV

• TURNOVERS ( Marner = 50, Draisaitl = 84) --->> Favour Marner
• ----
• TAKEAWAYS ( Marner = 85, Draisaitl = 78) --->> Favour Marner
• ----
• Look at the POINTS/60 (Marner = 3.1 P/60 ----- Draisaitl = 3.1 P/60) Equal
• ----
• BLOCK SHOTS (Draisaitl = 24 ; Marner = 25) ----- Equal --- but hey 25 > 24, ... *mocking oilers fans about Marner 69 Points*

Turnovers- Nick Schmaltz 31, Marner 50
Takeaways- Nick Schmaltz 86, Marner 85
ES PP/60- Nick Schmaltz 2, Marner 2.1

Block Shots- Nick Schmaltz 39, Marner 25

TIL Nick Schmaltz > Mitch Marner

 

[Spawn]

Not really.
I used stats. Others spew B.S., and used no stats.

I showed that Marner has FEWER Turnovers. GREATER Takeaways. And has ~= P/60 When you factor in P/60 with PK USAGE.

What more stats do I have to use?

Why don't you show me stats? Oh wait, you don't have any.


Just accept the reality, you have no stats, you are basing this off of your ROSE COLOURED OILERS RAY BANS.

 

[McFlyingV]

So all of my stats show that either

• Marner > Draisaitl (P/60, Takeaways, Turnovers, Blocked Shots, etc)
• Where the F. are your stats?
• NO where ------ You dont have any!!!

Your stats have shown you don't understand anything pertaining to stats or context, that much is obvious to anyone reading this thread.

I provided stats, you just chose to ignore them. I even gave you the correct CF% and FF% (including relative) that you tried to use, but you dismissed them because they didn't support your argument. I also gave you goal and point production, but again you dismissed them for the 4 stats that you continue to repeat like a broken record (cute to include the etc. when there is no etc. that you've provided).

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Ok yeah so you really are just clueless

Run a poll and see who wins....unless you’re scared. How is calling Patrick Kane a better player than Joe Thornton such an issue for you. Kane’s been a dominant player for years lol

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Not really.
I used stats. Others spew B.S., and used no stats.

I showed that Marner has FEWER Turnovers. GREATER Takeaways. And has ~= P/60 When you factor in P/60 with PK USAGE.

What more stats do I have to use?

Why don't you show me stats? Oh wait, you don't have any.


Just accept the reality, you have no stats, you are basing this off of your ROSE COLOURED OILERS RAY BANS.

And I showed you that giveaways is an absolutely worthless stat, you just kept ranting like Trump when he got outsmarted by a pornstar.

You’re wrong. Just straight up wrong. Marner is a very good player but he’s not better than Draisaitl.

Also you know that ranting that Draisaitl doesn’t have as good as a supporting cast makes your argument look worse, not better, right?

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Your stats have shown you don't understand anything pertaining to stats or context, that much is obvious to anyone reading this thread.

I provided stats, you just chose to ignore them. I even gave you the correct CF% and FF% (including relative) that you tried to use, but you dismissed them because they didn't support your argument. I also gave you goal and point production, but again you dismissed them for the 4 stats that you continue to repeat like a broken record (cute to include the etc. when there is no etc. that you've provided).

This is a slaughter. Emphasis on laughter. Bravo.

 

[yababy]

Dari is currently a better player, mainly by virtue of position, but Marner holds more value due to contract position

I have a feeling that won't last long

 

[2legit2quit]

You respond to anything I wrote so I’ll ask more directly.

Is it easier to score when you have MORE players on the ice than the opponent, or the SAME amount?

One you’ve got that part down, try this one.

Shouldn’t the player that is better at scoring at EVEN STRENGTH (or what over 75% of the game is played at) have MORE value than the guy that only produces at an elite rate when given a numbers advantage?

What’s more dangerous, one bear or one wolf?

What if the bear can't kill a pigeon? What if the bear can't kill an eagle that is attacking him? You get what I'm getting at.

Draisaitl = Weak @ the Powerplay relative to Marner
Marner = Slightly Weaker to Draiasitl @ E.S.

The POINTS/60 (PK ADJUSTED) show that they can product the same amount of POINTS even when Marner produces less than Draisaitl @5v5 and when Draisaitl produces less than Marner @powerplay

• My argument is merely that ------ Marner out produces Draisaitl on the Power Play so much that:
• It counter-acts his SLIGHT DIS-ADVANTAGE @ Even Strength that Draisaitl has over him

 

[McFlyingV]

And I showed you that giveaways is an absolutely worthless stat, you just kept ranting like Trump when he got outsmarted by a pornstar.

You’re wrong. Just straight up wrong. Marner is a very good player but he’s not better than Draisaitl.

Also you know that ranting that Draisaitl doesn’t have as good as a supporting cast makes your argument look worse, not better, right?

 

[The List Of Jericho]

You have not watched the oilers. Leon was only on special teams with mcdavid

We both know that’s not true and when stats come out proving it you Oilers fans run and hide until folks forget it. The reality is besides a nice little playoff run last year good old Leon has been a slighty above average player at best. His production before McDavid sucked and before you blame those Oilers teams remember...Taylor Hall is likely winning a Hart Trophy all because he got out of Edmonton.

 

[2legit2quit]

Good night. It was fun arguing with you guys.

I understand what you have to say and I respect it.

But IMHO, only time will tell ----- a player like Marner and Draisaitl are so close, that you can't use stats or the god forbid '' eye test '' to deter whose better.

 

[hockeyguy1967]

What if the bear can't kill a pigeon? What if the bear can't kill an eagle that is attacking him? You get what I'm getting at.

Draisaitl = Weak @ the Powerplay relative to Marner
Marner = Slightly Weaker to Draiasitl @ E.S.

The POINTS/60 (PK ADJUSTED) show that they can product the same amount of POINTS even when Marner produces less than Draisaitl @5v5 and when Draisaitl produces less than Marner @powerplay

• My argument is merely that ------ Marner out produces Draisaitl on the Power Play so much that:
• It counter-acts his SLIGHT DIS-ADVANTAGE @ Even Strength that Draisaitl has over him

It's not a slight advantage it's a freaking moon sized crater.
Drai p/60 2.7
Marner p/60 2.1

 

[Eternal Leaf]

I'd probably take Draisaitl if all things were even. A lot of his issues are related to coaching/management.

But the contract is a heavy negative right now and that pushes me to Marner (value wise).

 

[Spawn]

Draisaitl 672 faceoff wins
Marner 50 faceoff wins

Draisaitl>Marner

Am I doing it right @2legit2quit ?