Player Discussion: Marko Dano

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think it makes it significantly more likely that Dano goes to LV, and that the Jets are planning to go 7-3-1. It might not happen that way, but I think it's more likely now.

It could be taken that way. I always thought he was the most likely one anyway. I just think its premature. This just sets the table for 7+3+1. If things work out Chevy is now ready for that eventuality.

If it was a matter of Dano being traded to LV I don't think it matters much whether he is signed or not.

This could mean a lot of things but the one thing we can be sure it means is that Jets are in a position to go 7+3+1 if they choose that, with all of its ramifications.

Maybe Toby is going to waive. Maybe they are going to expose Myers. Maybe they are going to make a trade that makes the protected list moot. These were all possibilities before Dano was signed but 7+3+1 required one of Dano/Copp signed to meet the XD requirements. So nothing new except that the groundwork for 7+3+1 has been laid.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

if he doesnt go to vegas can we work out a trade to minny? with a name like DANO hes headed for greatness!

To bad Honolulu doesn't have an NHL team. We could book him there.

 

[SoCalJetsFan]

don't think there is any decision at all. copp is more valueable to jets based on his play. he will be protected. signing dano confirms that. so mathias and dano will be exposed. don't see how copp will be a choice for vegas since he should be our 7th player protected.

You convinced me, really like the idea of protecting Copp. He is a valuable bottom 6 forward that can move up the line-up when injuries dictate.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

The Jets needed to make two forwards available who are signed next season. Before Dano's signing, they only had Matthias who fit the criteria. If the Jets go 7-3-1, now they can leave Matthias and Dano exposed to meet the forward requirement, and protect Scheifele, Little, Wheeler, Perreault, Lowry, Armia and Copp.

Conversely, if the Jets plan to go 4-4-1, they would have no need to sign Dano since they already have a few other forwards that meet the exposure requirement (Perreault, Lowry, Armia).

Still not sure how the signing of Dano addresses not exposing Myers to avoid protecting the 8+1?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Oh, disappointment isn't really a stop on this train anymore. If Chevy still finds a way to muck this up, I will just head straight for Anger station and rant continuously on how Chevy has to go.

OK, meet you there.

 

[Whileee]

Still not sure how the signing of Dano addresses not exposing Myers to avoid protecting the 8+1?

It doesn't, by itself.

However, if Enstrom waives or the Jets trade Myers for an expansion exempt player, and the Jets wanted to go 7-3-1, they still needed to sign either Dano or Copp (or Thorbs) to be able to expose two forwards who are signed for next season. The signing of Dano implies that they are at least contemplating going 7-3-1, and that if that's the case Dano is the forward they would be exposing.

Making Dano available might be a bit of a concession by the Jets to get LV to forego considering Enstrom (if he waives). If Enstrom waived and the Jets went 7-3-1 they could also trade a forward (like Dano) to a team that has room to protect him, sign Thorbs and then just expose Thorbs and Matthias (along with Enstrom). Signing Dano and making him available might satisfy LV's interests.

 

[Puckatron 3000]

The plot thickens...

I'm also ok if it turns out Dano is the one to go. I understand he has much better stats than might be evident to the more casual viewer. And he was never given a lot of opportunity. But I had nightmares of losing Armia during those games last year when he absolutely dominated. I also view him as a key player in improving our PK. Copp, as others have noted, has also shown a real fit with the team.

Yesterday was the deadline for players to agree to waive their NMC right? That makes the timing of this particularly interesting.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Even if Thorbs was re-signed and exposed, Vegas selects Dano/Copp over Thorbs.

Sure. Only reason I mentioned Thorburn is that had he been signed to a one year NHL minimum deal, it would have at least give me some hope that they were opting to protect Dano and expose Copp.

I like Dano, but the argument for Dano over Copp diminished substantially in my view over the course of last season. Copp has shown himself to be an effective and versatile player with some unexpected offense. He skates really well. Being a best buddy of Trouba and very popular on the team might also factor in. He's known for having natural leadership capabilities, and that matters to the Jets apparently.

It must be for leadership capabilities and being Trouba's BFF. That and his ability to play down the middle.

Beyond those factors, there's no area where Copp has proven himself a more effective NHLer than Dano.

 

[surixon]

The plot thickens...

I'm also ok if it turns out Dano is the one to go. I understand he has much better stats than might be evident to the more casual viewer. And he was never given a lot of opportunity. But I had nightmares of losing Armia during those games last year when he absolutely dominated. I also view him as a key player in improving our PK. Copp, as others have noted, has also shown a real fit with the team.

Yesterday was the deadline for players to agree to waive their NMC right? That makes the timing of this particularly interesting.

Yesterday was the deadline for teams to ask players. The players have until Friday to agree.

 

[ps241]

If the Jets go 7-3-1, I am assuming that the Jets have asked Enstrom to waive his NMC and he's agreed, so the Jets will expose Enstrom (and expect him not to be selected). Another possibility is that the Jets are contemplating a trade involving Myers (or perhaps Trouba), with the return being expansion-exempt players.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

It doesn't, by itself.

However, if Enstrom waives or the Jets trade Myers for an expansion exempt player, and the Jets wanted to go 7-3-1, they still needed to sign either Dano or Copp (or Thorbs) to be able to expose two forwards who are signed for next season. The signing of Dano implies that they are at least contemplating going 7-3-1, and that if that's the case Dano is the forward they would be exposing.

Making Dano available might be a bit of a concession by the Jets to get LV to forego considering Enstrom (if he waives). If Enstrom waived and the Jets went 7-3-1 they could also trade a forward (like Dano) to a team that has room to protect him, sign Thorbs and then just expose Thorbs and Matthias (along with Enstrom). Signing Dano and making him available might satisfy LV's interests.

Interesting twist Whileee. Assuming Dano is perceived as better than Copp and your scenario, it might be enough since they were not likely to take Toby anyway. Each side does what they would have chosen to do but with mutual guarantees to facillitate it.

 

[Whileee]

Sure. Only reason I mentioned Thorburn is that had he been signed to a one year NHL minimum deal, it would have at least give me some hope that they were opting to protect Dano and expose Copp.



It must be for leadership capabilities and being Trouba's BFF. That and his ability to play down the middle.

Beyond those factors, there's no area where Copp has proven himself a more effective NHLer than Dano.

I dunno. I think that Copp closed the gap on Dano in terms of productivity and other metrics last season. Add in position and other considerations (such as ability on the PK) and I can see why the Jets would prefer to keep Copp.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Before this signing the Jets were required to expose 2 of the following forwards.

Wheeler
Little
Scheifele
Perreault
Lowry
Armia
Matthias

If they were going to go 8-1 there was no reason to sign Dano this early since he would be exposed regardless. Now it makes 7-3-1 more realistic since they can expose Matthias and Dano.

There could also still be more deals coming that change the dynamics

Although there is truth in this, you're forgetting that Vegas is limited to being able to draft only 10 players not under contract in 2017-2018.

Having Dano signed allows Vegas to select him without the maximum number of 2017 RFA's they can draft being reduced to 9.

 

[Shazzam]

I'm pretty much neutral on Dano. If he gets taken, the only thing I'll think about is how the Ladd trade ended up.

meh, we lose one player no matter what. So from that point of view, it's kind of irrelevant. Would the Ladd trade look better if they took Armia, Lowery, or Perreault?
Maybe, but we'd be worse off imo.

 

[10Ducky10]

Is Copp signed?
Can he be protected if not signed?
Can't Vegas still draft Copp?

 

[Hank Chinaski]

I dunno. I think that Copp closed the gap on Dano in terms of productivity and other metrics last season. Add in position and other considerations (such as ability on the PK) and I can see why the Jets would prefer to keep Copp.

Copp's PK ability is overrated, IMO. He's ideally your 5th-6th PK forward, and the Jets really should be looking for a PK specialist regardless.

The margin between the two is thin enough that I can understand Copp's off-ice contributions being the deciding factor. For that reason, I'm not going to throw a **** fit about Dano being exposed over Copp. I'm not exactly thrilled about it, either.

 

[mcpw]

Is Copp signed?
Can he be protected if not signed?
Can't Vegas still draft Copp?

No, yes, depends on our protection list.

 

[10Ducky10]

No, yes, depends on our protection list.

I didn't realize you could protect a player that isn't signed...changes things quite a bit.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Although there is truth in this, you're forgetting that Vegas is limited to being able to draft only 10 players not under contract in 2017-2018.

Having Dano signed allows Vegas to select him without the maximum number of 2017 RFA's they can draft being reduced to 9.

I'm not sure that's really going to be an issue for Vegas.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Is Copp signed?

No

Can he be protected if not signed?

Yes

Can't Vegas still draft Copp?

They can only draft Copp if he is not protected.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

https://www.nhl.com/jets/news/jets-agree-to-terms-with-marko-dano/c-289908492

A one-way deal. Could very well be related to the ED, as he is now the ninth forward who fills the expansion criteria of 40/70 games played. The deal also makes him not count against the ten unsigned ED picks Vegas gets.

Agree this has ED written all over it. Either a Dano deal has been prearranged or they are making the selection of him more attractive.

7-3-1 is on the table now. good job chevy.

Lot's of comments on this already, no-one however commenting on the bolded & as always are fixated on the Jets 7-3-1 / 4-4-1 scenarios.

Step out of the bubble & looks at it from Las Vegas' perspective. Dano is now a more attractive choice as he's a signed forward.

Here's a food for though question. What's in it for Dano?

His agent must know the expansion math and the chances he is selected by Vegas. Why sign a contract early and help out the Jets. Why not see if you could extract more from Vegas? Why rush to sign for a deal for only $850k?

Perhaps Dano is perfectly fine going to Vegas, but Vegas has 10 2017 RFA's they rank ahead of Dano & wanted him presigned to not count against this number.

The Jets needed to make two forwards available who are signed next season. Before Dano's signing, they only had Matthias who fit the criteria. If the Jets go 7-3-1, now they can leave Matthias and Dano exposed to meet the forward requirement, and protect Scheifele, Little, Wheeler, Perreault, Lowry, Armia and Copp.

Conversely, if the Jets plan to go 4-4-1, they would have no need to sign Dano since they already have a few other forwards that meet the exposure requirement (Perreault, Lowry, Armia).

I agree this does open up the 7-3-1 option for Chevy. The only reason to consider that route is to limit Vegas' choices of forwards, but protecting these same forwards (Armia, Lowry) left only Matthias meeting the minimum criteria for forward exposure. This has been one of the biggest reasons for me being adamant the Jets were going 4-4-1.

That said, your bolded comment is incorrect. As previously mentioned a signed Dano selected by Vegas gives them more options when making selections from other teams. Following this reasoning perhaps a few other teams follow suit this week signing 2017 RFA's to make them more attractive as well.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

I'm not sure that's really going to be an issue for Vegas.

Have you done a mock draft yet?

Things get messy with regards to this when nearing the end of ones selections.

 

[Huffer]

The plot thickens...

I'm also ok if it turns out Dano is the one to go. I understand he has much better stats than might be evident to the more casual viewer. And he was never given a lot of opportunity. But I had nightmares of losing Armia during those games last year when he absolutely dominated. I also view him as a key player in improving our PK. Copp, as others have noted, has also shown a real fit with the team.

Yesterday was the deadline for players to agree to waive their NMC right? That makes the timing of this particularly interesting.

Exactly where I'm at Puck.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Have you done a mock draft yet?

Things get messy with regards to this when nearing the end of ones selections.

It might be better to actually draft unsigned players depending on how much dead salary they select

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

It might be better to actually draft unsigned players depending on how much dead salary they select

I agree. I fully expect Vegas to be selecting ten 2017 RFA's.

I think they are the best chips McPhee will use to barter with.

As discussed elsewhere they'll be immediately trading at least 8 of their selections either literally at the ED or sometime in the 2 weeks leading to July 5th.