This thread separates the fans of good hard hockey and the Edwards Cult Initiates that truly believe that Bruins players can do wrong. How could they? They are warriors in the service of the Spoked B. Their vengeance is just, their actions cannot be judged by mere mortals.
Marchand Refuses to fight Against Eller
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This thread separates the fans of good hard hockey and the Edwards Cult Initiates that truly believe that Bruins players can do wrong. How could they? They are warriors in the service of the Spoked B. Their vengeance is just, their actions cannot be judged by mere mortals.
Number8
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Absolutely. The whole “code” thing is a thing of past. Not sure what one Eller is talking about.
I agree completely with your analogy. Eller pulls a bush league move and pays a price. Then, when he can’t somehow restore his “tough guy honor” the next game, he cries to the media and via Twitter.
Helmet already off, already been punched multiple times, and the big one if you know anything about hockey fights: never got his grab hand glove off and had an absolutely shit grip on Marchand's right shoulder because of it.
Marchand got himself almost every advantage he could by jumping him.
SpringfieldSkins
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I wouldn’t expect anything less from a cheapshot diver like Marchand.
Chips
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Yes Marchand sucker punched and forced Eller into a fight, and could have serious injured him like the Domi incident (his initial hard punch before Eller even dropped his gloves just barely missed)
Yes Marchand was smart to draw the penalty there (come on Caps fans, we saw and loved Wilson doing this all playoffs).
That said, though I’d have preferred Eller forget about it completely, if he really wanted to “get even” he should have just waited for Marchand to do anything Marchand-ish and punch him. The league allows that when somebody is mean apparently.
Yes Marchand was smart to draw the penalty there (come on Caps fans, we saw and loved Wilson doing this all playoffs).
That said, though I’d have preferred Eller forget about it completely, if he really wanted to “get even” he should have just waited for Marchand to do anything Marchand-ish and punch him. The league allows that when somebody is mean apparently.
As soon as one compares Cooke, all credibility is immediately lost.
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Jack Edwards said it was clean and he’s right about everything so I have no idea what you’re bitching about..
"I feel like what the Boston player did was right, and the other guy was wrong." -Every Bostonian, every day of their lives until they die and I'm happy.
Montecristo
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I don’t see orpik as a star player
Chips
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Comparing the overall player, I agree with you completely, but that particular incident was bad no matter how you slice it. It was on the level of Cooke
A professional league shouldn’t allow attacks from supposedly mature adults if its trying to appeal to the average person anyway (And like it or not kids are watching and will emulate the ethics of their idols), or **if it cares about players health** as I know everybody on HF does so bad...and aside from that it’s just a bad look.
I don’t care if “it’s hockey not real life”... that’s just dumb. The incident and justification are just as bad as if they happened in “real life” and could easily happen in “real life” too (And it did...)
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Oates2Neely
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Orpik is and has always been a plug. Orpik is closer to Shawn Thornton than Eller will ever be to Marchand. Marchand is a top 10 LW in the NHL. When was Orpik a top 10 anything?
We see players force a fight (or used to). And like it or not, despite Marchand jumping Eller, they had a square up moment where Eller had every fair opportunity in the world to pummel Marchand. He couldn't and I will continue to maintain THAT is what this entire episode is about (from Eller's point of view). Losing a fight, however unfair, to Marchand is a bit of an insult.
If anything the elbow on the NJ player was more Matt Cooke than anything. I really don't see the reason this thread even was created still, besides "Marchand". I have a feeling if it were between Washington and Boston fans it would be long since dead but it's so easy to pile on Marchand for his past.
Saying this over and over again doesn't make it true, and exposes a complete lack of experience/ understanding when it comes to hockey fights
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Eller didn't need to honor him not wanting to go. But he would have had to have been willing to watch his teammates likely kill a five minute penalty. The Caps own the Bruins, on a 13 game winning streak (now 14) as his teammates I would have told him make him go, we will kill the penalty. I mean I would have poured salt in the wound it is a gamble but going out of there and doing that while stamping the 14th win is what I would have tried.
Marchand opened himself up to that, we will see what happens in a bigger blowout down the line. I mean the Caps aren't exactly lacking in top 6 "star players" that can fight and massively outweigh Marchand. Imagine Wilson or Ovechkin just grabbing him and beating him without him wanting to go. I doubt this is finished and that is what Marchand's behavior brings at times. To be continued in my opinion.
Marchand opened himself up to that, we will see what happens in a bigger blowout down the line. I mean the Caps aren't exactly lacking in top 6 "star players" that can fight and massively outweigh Marchand. Imagine Wilson or Ovechkin just grabbing him and beating him without him wanting to go. I doubt this is finished and that is what Marchand's behavior brings at times. To be continued in my opinion.
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I'm a Caps and I cant stand Marchand but he didnt need to fight Eller at that point in the game. Marchand ended up drawing a penalty which was what he was looking for.
Its probably better for Eller that Marchand didnt drop the gloves. He would have been embarrassed again.
Lars Eller......
There’s one lesson and one lesson only. Don’t show up another teams bench when you’re beating them 7-0, or whatever it was. Bad things happen and no one owes you a re-do after the fact.
He was an ass, he got fed a couple of heavy shots, and one would think lesson learned.
Instead Lars and TJ Ohmyface — one of biggest embellishers there is — think this is Bob Probert and Marty McSorely where one tough guy “owes” the other guy another go due to the “code”.
Again, the only code in the League these days is don’t be an ass and show up the other teams bench.
You're still buying into this, huh?
The only code in the league actually seems to be whichever version is convenient for folk like you and players like Marchand on any given day.
Dr Quincy
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I have no problem with Marchand turtling.
I have a problem with fans whining incessantly in GDT's about OTHER players turtling while making up excuses when their guy does it. I know I'm like Cpt. Renault and shocked to find this, but it still is pretty transparently fraudulent.
Chips
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Squaring up doesn’t mean shit in this context... he had no choice, and no I’ve not seen many forced fights in this era. I’ve seen players push for it hard but will eventually get a penalty if the other guy resists.
Players don’t grab someone from behind and start swinging immediately. The issue is that he could have injured Eller. And unsuspecting player, off balance, with his gloves on and hands down unable to protect himself... he and Marchand both were lucky that particular initial swing missed because it easily could have been bad, as any sucker punch.
Yea, I’m sure Eller wouldn’t be so mad if Marchand didn’t land a single punch (who wouldn’t feel little differently?)... but he probably also wouldn’t be mad about losing if he ever had a choice in the fight (that had already started before the square up)
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This league and anyone who pretends to care about players health are hypocrites if they back this... the league “cares about player injuries” but doesn’t care about preventing them... only punish the result not the action, which doesn’t dissuade similar incidents. Same shit with players body slamming others to ice; it should be well known from this season alone players can get concussions or other.
Dr Quincy
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Ok let's try this. If Tom Wilson wants to fight Danton Heinen, Heinen is totally obliged to since Wilson has more pts and is more of a star than him.
Does that really make sense? Is this really the threshold for when a player is gutless for turning down a fight or is forced to accept one? What is the point differential between players that at which point it becomes the tipping point?
I feel like some are making up the rules as they go and constantly changing them.
But forcing the issue is okay if you are Marchand who, coincidentally, is thyeonly one in the league who gets to decide not to settle in what would have been a much fairer fight.Lars Eller......
There’s one lesson and one lesson only. Don’t show up another teams bench when you’re beating them 7-0, or whatever it was. Bad things happen and no one owes you a re-do after the fact.
He was an ass, he got fed a couple of heavy shots, and one would think lesson learned.
Instead Lars and TJ Ohmyface — one of biggest embellishers there is — think this is Bob Probert and Marty McSorely where one tough guy “owes” the other guy another go due to the “code”.
Again, the only code in the League these days is don’t be an ass and show up the other teams bench.
Your 20 minute a game star is ducking lars freaking eller. Rationalize it all you like, that's still a very bad look.
If Marchand is gonna duck him, I guess we will never know.
But they will meet again, and if Marchand decides ( based on the situation) to finally settle that makes him, by definition, a spotpicker.
He's either a spot picker or afraid of lars eller. Your choice.
A superstar skill, 5'9 player not fighting a 3rd line 6'2 player. Not such a bad look after all.
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Oh the Capitals are our daddy right now, no doubt. Can't argue with that. Eller is still a bum compared to Marchand.
Marchand reminded me of guys like Ribeiro or Claude Lemieux in there. We don't have the big bad Bruins we used to see, can't even handle a danish.
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