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Marc Bergevin : Attitude > Skill
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There's a 0% chance that that's what's happening. That's not how the NHL works and why on earth would Bergevin ever agree to something like that?
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Bergevin is collecting a paycheck.
Why in the world would the Habs want to keep Bergevin as a front man? He is a terrible public relations person. He used to be good until he showed how much of a moron and full of crap he is. Keeping him on hurt the Habs image. Trevor Timmins speaks french, he could have been there, or they could have hired any other french assistant to make him the front man and let Timmins run the show.
Also, I don't see how Timmins (or any other top exec) would ever accept to be the guy behind the curtain and not get the credit for good moves.
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I assume that there's been an internal restructuring and have for a while. I don't assume that Timmins is number 1. It might be rule by committee or rule by Molson .
I think that Bergevin is a great PR man. That is due to his looks, his charisma, and his machismo. He lowers the stsndards of what people expect of the Habs. Conpare the amount of leeway that he has gotten to what Gauthier has gotten .The latter was a vegan nerd, and the entire city turned on him after a single tank season .
Heck, as recently as a few days ago Bergevin support was surging on this forum of all places. People were even coming out of the woodwork to criticize Subban and Eller because they had two or three bad games.
Bergevin is a good looking alpha male, and thus many people are instinctively predisposed to worshipping him . That's why he enjoys more leeway. He has to fail more for people to criticize him, and he doesn't need to succeed as long for people to praise him. He's a great investment by Molson.
There's been a few changes but I doubt anybody has a bigger voice than Bergevin and I still think he is the one running the show. There is zero indication that he isn't. Is he getting better counsel? Well that's possible, but he's still the man in charge.
I think that worked at the beginning but people have been seeing through this facade. It was almost unanimous, everyone wanted him fired this summer or they were wondering how he still has a job.
Gauthier came at a bad time. He was associated to Gainey. People were even saying it as soon as it happened, they did not want someone of the same administration to just take over. Not to mention, a lot of people already believed Gauthier was responsible for some bad moves due to Gainey losing his daughter.
The situations are not very comparable. We needed a complete change, that's why people were so easy to dump on Gauthier.
Making fun of his appearance or manners, ya, people do that with Bergevin too. His clothes...the way he speaks, the BS he spits out. Of course, being handsome and charismatic always helps you get away with more, but people aren't fooled by him anymore. He's been here long enough to know what he's about.
Haters are always present and more come out at opportuned moments, nothing new there.
But the small rise in Bergevin support comes from the Habs playing well, which again, is only normal.
If the Habs collapse, it'll be the pitchfork crew that overwhelmingly takeover the forum, as they had during the summer.
Again, people have been very critical towards Bergevin, even the press. As I said, most expected him to be fired already. It's Molson alone that kept him around, and for that, he's had a lot of fans turn on him too.
"... Again, people have been very critical towards Bergevin, even the press. As I said, most expected him to be fired already. It's Molson alone that kept him around, and for that, he's had a lot of fans turn on him too.[/QUOTE]
At the time of the Bergevin hiring by Mr. Molson, Serge Savard strongly endorsed the new GM's five year plan. He was to build his team in the Sam Pollock manner, ie: Start with a strong goalie and build up to the #1 center.
Further with his many trades, Bergy also re-built an offence team from a defence team; a fast transition in center ice and forechecking control in the office zone.
This is the new Habs playing like the real old Habs, just faster!
Not bad for a bum ...
At the time of the Bergevin hiring by Mr. Molson, Serge Savard strongly endorsed the new GM's five year plan. He was to build his team in the Sam Pollock manner, ie: Start with a strong goalie and build up to the #1 center.
Further with his many trades, Bergy also re-built an offence team from a defence team; a fast transition in center ice and forechecking control in the office zone.
This is the new Habs playing like the real old Habs, just faster!
Not bad for a bum ...
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Chili
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With the faceoff numbers (42.6%, 31st in the league) maybe they should consider bringing someone in to specifically work with the centres.
Team face-off stats- 2018-19 regular season - 2018 - Puckbase
Team face-off stats- 2018-19 regular season - 2018 - Puckbase
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Habs really need to call Carbonneau for that he is a great coach for that element!
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Faceoffs are a really overrated part of the game. I support getting a faceoff specialist to come teach the players but it isn't as big a deal as it is made to be. The difference between a sub 0.50 and a "good" faceoff rate is like less than 10, or sometimes 5 faceoff wins. It's almost literally a dice roll.
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Don't have a link but apparently the more concerning number is defensive zone faceoffs which is around 35%.
That may partly explain how bad they were on the pk last season. Teams who consistently win draws on the pk, get control of the puck and clear the zone quickly. Losing 2 out of 3 draws in your own zone is probably going to lead to more scoring chances against.
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Carbo knows the dot for sure and coaching.
I don't know how many teams have that type of coach, probably don't need one on the the Bruins or teams with veteran centres. Nucks have Manny Malhotra who Bo Horvat credits with helping him. Read an article on Malhotra where he said it took him 5-6 years to learn how to be good on draws. Steve Ott went right from the ice into coaching. I don't know what Dominic Moore is doing (still listed as a ufa) but a veteran like him who knows all the tendencies of the current centres in the league is one guy I could see helping a team with a lot of young/inexperienced centres.
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Here is the link per zone:
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SH (and PP), Habs are actually above 50%. 28 won 25 lost in both cases.
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IMO faceoff only comes with experience , with a bunch of young guys I don't expect Mtl to be near the top for a while.
Add to the fact that Mtl has only lefty C it makes it even harder, alot of these guys number look worse is they take faceoff on their weak side.
Add to the fact that Mtl has only lefty C it makes it even harder, alot of these guys number look worse is they take faceoff on their weak side.
He had his opportunity. Maybe he'll do good later on but I don't think he has earned the right to get that chance.
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