Value of: Make a Trade with Washington

[Deen]

We have to pay Tkachuk. We need money moving out. He probably gets 4 million the way the market is going.

Ideally we would have kept him and not signed Neal. That contract is an anchor for us. You basically get one chance at free agency as a contender and we blew our wad on a guy that moves likes the Tin Man in the cold.

 

[StephenPeat]

Zaitsev would be a good defenseman in our system just like Kempny, Jensen, Niskanen, etc. He'd allow us to shave off 1.5 mil off Niskanen's cap hit while reasonably filling in for him since he'd have support from Carlson, Jensen and be paired with Orlov. We have 0 forward prospects and Bracco would help with that, but could be some other sweetener because we're doing Toronto a favor.

I agree that we shouldn't move Djoos unless a deal is there, but I don't see him being a top 4 mainstay and you generally want your bottom pairing guy to be a specialist or young player on the way to permanent top 4 role

I think I see where you’re coming from but still think most of what you propose is making small moves for the sake of making ANY moves. I’m definitely not as sold on Zaitsev but we can agree to disagree there.

 

[Revelation]

Ideally we would have kept him and not signed Neal. That contract is an anchor for us. You basically get one chance at free agency as a contender and we blew our wad on a guy that moves likes the Tin Man in the cold.

Every team has a contract like that. Blues have Allen and Steen combine for 10 million, Boston has Backes.

Shed Stone, Smith, Brodie/Hamonic and you're good to go

 

[Revelation]

I think I see where you’re coming from but still think most of what you propose is making small moves for the sake of making ANY moves. I’m definitely not as sold on Zaitsev but we can agree to disagree there.

How do you see us improving? Imo we add more impact players or NHL ready prospect depth. Trim fat on the cap too but we don't really have any bad contracts now so it would be limited to trading in Niskanen or moving on from Burakovsky.

Trading Djoos would be move for the sake of moves and I'm fine with keeping him assuming he comes in cheap. Maybe play him with Carlson and hope for a Schmidt like leap in development

Zaitsev is one of those guys where if he was a sure thing he simply wouldn't be available. But you can project him in a different environment. Penguins killed it because they'd get guys like Niskanen, Schultz, Daley, Petterson seemingly every year for pennies on the dollar and instantly have them become good defensemen for them. We've been doing much of the same with Reirden with Kempny, Jensen too now

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Namestnikov for 2nd round pick

 

[StephenPeat]

If Orlov is made available, then Habs should def look into it.

CBJ 2nd rd pick

+

Ylonen or Ikonen perhaps

NO, terrible.

 

[StephenPeat]

Orlov isn't worth a top15 pick. Maybe a lat 1st on a 1vs1 deal, but that,s why we'd be adding Ikonen or Ylonen to that 2nd pick in roder to bridge the gap between a late 1st and a mid 2nd

Ikonen and Ylonen are both good B+ offensive prospect IMO



And that's why you won't receive a 1st round pick (at least not a top15 pick) for Orlov.

Orlov is absolutely worth a Top 15 pick. Ikonen NOR Ylonen make up the difference between that 2nd and ANY 1st and certainly not Orlov.

 

[StephenPeat]

I would offer a pretty penny from Calgary for Tom Wilson.

You’d have to and we’d still decline.

 

[Mersss]

Orlov is absolutely worth a Top 15 pick. Ikonen NOR Ylonen make up the difference between that 2nd and ANY 1st and certainly not Orlov.

Yah, cause we all knoe 30pts d-man are DEF worth a top15 pick right?

He's good, he's not THAT good.

 

[StephenPeat]

Not sure he is worth Tkachuk. In fact I know he isn't. It would be like Valimaki from our side.

Yeah, we’re done here.

 

[StephenPeat]

Kevin Shattenkirk?

Worked out?

 

[StephenPeat]

He's a prime candidate to take off on a new team with good linemates/deployment/top 6 ice time like Strome has this year.

You forgot the critical part; he’ll thrive with absolutely zero expectations and in games that are meaningless (well that last might just be Strome).

 

[hb12xchamps]

Namestnikov for 2nd round pick

Not interested in moving 1st or 2nd rounders unless it’s a bigger deal. Also the Caps are trying to shed salary not add to it

 

[StephenPeat]

You mean the txpd vs all other Caps fans debate?

I do see something to Tx argument and he’s not entirely wrong. Without Orpik and Niskanen, I’d be seriously concerned about the Defense’s ability to DEFEND.

 

[StephenPeat]

Yah, cause we all knoe 30pts d-man are DEF worth a top15 pick right?

He's good, he's not THAT good.

He’s a 2/3D on a Cup winner signed relatively cheap for term. HE IS that good, whether you like it or not.

Your 2nd +Ikonen/Ylonen isn’t going to get you ANY young, veteran 3D from ANY team in the league. That package will also not net you any 1st Rd pick (aside perhaps pick 30 as a nominal 1st).

 

[Mersss]

He’s a 2/3D on a Cup winner signed relatively cheap for term. HE IS that good, whether you like it or not.

Your 2nd +Ikonen/Ylonen isn’t going to get you ANY young, veteran 3D from ANY team in the league. That package will also not net you any 1st Rd pick (aside perhaps pick 30 as a nominal 1st).

Orlov is worth a pick between 20-31. He's a #3D, he's not a top pairing D in a lot of teams in the NHL.

Lots of teams actually trade a late 1st for 2 X 2nd (ikonen and Ylonen value have just gone up since being drafted, in the 2nd round), therefore Value isn't THAT far off in my opinion

Habs keep that pick, and we'll just draft a D like Broger who'll end up just being a betetr d-man than Orlov

 

[thecapsfan]

Burakovsky for Canucks 2019 3rd(pick 71)

Sold! Deal, at least IMO. BMac might ask for more, and I’m a fan, not an expert.

 

[hb12xchamps]

So to try and get this thread back on track. Some guys who could be moved on the Caps.

1) Burakovsky - Caps won’t want to pay his salary if he isn’t going to take the next step and produce more offensively. His market seems relatively unknown but I wouldn’t trade him for peanuts. He still is a skilled offensive winger who has all the tools to turn into an effective top 6 player

2) Niskanen - the fact that his name has come up multiple times in rumors already indicates that Washington may be willing to move on to shed salary. Two more years left on his deal means a Muzzin like return shouldn’t be out of the question. 1st and two B level prospects or some type of deal including a younger NHL ready forward.

3) Holtby - I really don’t think he’d be moved, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see them try to get some assets for him when his value is still relatively high. His $6.1 million cap hit would go a long way in trying to re-sign some guys. The Caps most likely would have to be blown away to move him at this point

4) Orlov- Again, don’t see them moving him unless there’s an overpayment. The Caps have a lot of LD in the pipeline but most, if not all, are not NHL ready. He still has a few years on his deal so I would assume they hold onto him and reassess that situation next year if their prospects make some strides

 

[Revelation]

You forgot the critical part; he’ll thrive with absolutely zero expectations and in games that are meaningless (well that last might just be Strome).

Game 7 of 2018 ecf and 2019 first round seemed pretty critical to me.

He's done pretty well considering he's not a bottom 6 player and doesn't really fit our top 6

 

[Revelation]

Orlov is worth a pick between 20-31. He's a #3D, he's not a top pairing D in a lot of teams in the NHL.

Lots of teams actually trade a late 1st for 2 X 2nd (ikonen and Ylonen value have just gone up since being drafted, in the 2nd round), therefore Value isn't THAT far off in my opinion

Habs keep that pick, and we'll just draft a D like Broger who'll end up just being a betetr d-man than Orlov

Lol if it were that easy every team would have an Orlov caliber D in their top 4 since they're an absolute necessity.

Look at what Montour went for and Orlov is a much better player

 

[Deen]

Yeah, we’re done here.

You think Tom Wilson is worth Tkachuk? Might want to think about that one and take your homer goggles off.

 

[OV Rocks]

Worked out?

The statement was there is no history of BMAC going all in, I disagree and provided a fantastic example.

 

[StephenPeat]

You think Tom Wilson is worth Tkachuk? Might want to think about that one and take your homer goggles off.

Get back to me when Tkachuk gets his new contract, or when he wins something, whichever comes first.

 

[StephenPeat]

The statement was there is no history of BMAC going all in, I disagree and provided a fantastic example.

So literally the only example of BMac going all in blew up right in his face. I’m sure he’s simply salivating to do that again.

 

[txpd]

Yah, cause we all knoe 30pts d-man are DEF worth a top15 pick right?

He's good, he's not THAT good.

Orlov is a lot better than he appears by looking at his stat page. He is a dynamic offensive defenseman who belongs on someone's first pp unit and on a
defense pair where he can use his skills to create 5 on 5 offense rather than skate against the opposing first line. He is totally playing out of position
in Washington.