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txpd

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@txpd The Capitals literally won the Cup while Orlov was playing regular PK shifts during that playoff run. Stop basing your entire opinion around SHTOI stats that suite your narrative.

Orlov was 4th among defense that playoffs. Niskanen and Orpik played more then 3 mins per game. Orlov played 1.5mins per game. This is because Kempny and Djoos were worse. This past playoffs Orlov didn't play pk. We have established that.
 

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Orlov was 4th among defense that playoffs. Niskanen and Orpik played more then 3 mins per game. Orlov played 1.5mins per game. This is because Kempny and Djoos were worse. This past playoffs Orlov didn't play pk. We have established that.

It's almost as if SHTOI is dependent on coaching decisions and what other players a team has available, not a fixed skill set.

Orlov is a good enough PKer for a team to win the Stanley Cup with him taking a regular PK shift. We have established that. Trying to pan that is just ridiculous at this point.
 
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1. Answer to your question. Orlov because Orlov has "onward". Niskanen has 2 years left. That said I am concerned about winning next year and not concerned about contract value in 20-21 right now.

2 Yes, I am talking about replacing Niskanen. 17 18 or 18 19. I don't care. Whether his game devolved or he bounces back the fact is that his minutes need to be replaced if he is traded. Orlov doesn't do that. Niskanen was 2nd on the team in TOI/G. Niskanen lead the team in SHTOI/G. Orpik was 2nd. Orlov doesn't play SH.

Are you in that group of people that thinks Orlov is an ace defender that was being saved from that for other duty??

I'm in the group that thinks Orlov is the prototype for a modern day defender. His pizzas/60 is too high but he's a terrific skater, he's strong, he's a one-man break out, and his team is better with him on the ice. I don't think he's an ace defender but I hope he continues to improve under Rierden and company.

I also want to win next year and I think gambling on Niskanen reverting to form as a top pair shutdown guy is a risk they can't afford to take given their cap situation.
 
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How did Burakovsky play under Trotz? I could see the Isles possibly going after him if it’s a buy low type of trade since it’s within the division.

He was kind of buried under Trotz. Burakovsky is a maddening player. Everything about him, particularly his skating, shot, and stick handling, screams 30/30 guy but he just hasn't put it together yet.
 

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He was kind of buried under Trotz. Burakovsky is a maddening player. Everything about him, particularly his skating, shot, and stick handling, screams 30/30 guy but he just hasn't put it together yet.
Sounds to me like Oleg Kavasha. Guy had some of the best skills in the league then would just disappear in games.
 

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Sounds to me like Oleg Kavasha. Guy had some of the best skills in the league then would just disappear in games.

Burakovsky will be literally unnoticeable for 20, 25, 30 games and then he'll do this or this and you think if he ever puts it together he's going to be a star. Every time you want to give up on him he does something that leaves you shaking your head wondering how a player that talented can be so inconsistent. This sums up my feelings with AB:

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any interest in Kovalchuk with ~$2M retained?

Was rumored to be interest at the deadline in him with that retention. Not sure if Washington was in on him but I could see them be.

Nah. He's past his best years, and he's a quitter
 

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Nah. He's past his best years, and he's a quitter

What makes him a quitter for you?

Not a kovalchuk or Devil's fan but I did not blame him for going home to play. He played well in the Olympics and in the KHL. Last year he did not quit on the team when the coach was not utalizing properly either.

I am good with you not wanting a $4m winger at his age, but not sure about the quitter part.
 

txpd

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Lovely strawman you've got there.

I don't see it that way. I guess I am just dense. The Caps are losing their top defensive assignment minutes defenseman and their top defensive specialist defenseman. I see that as a problem. At the same time the Caps have 3 left shot defensemen that only play even strength minutes(Orlov, Kempny Djoos). I don't see replacements for the 2 mentioned defensive defensemen among the 3 left shot defensemen including Orlov.

Do you??
 

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I don't see it that way. I guess I am just dense. The Caps are losing their top defensive assignment minutes defenseman and their top defensive specialist defenseman. I see that as a problem. At the same time the Caps have 3 left shot defensemen that only play even strength minutes(Orlov, Kempny Djoos). I don't see replacements for the 2 mentioned defensive defensemen among the 3 left shot defensemen including Orlov.

Do you??
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I don't see it that way. I guess I am just dense. The Caps are losing their top defensive assignment minutes defenseman and their top defensive specialist defenseman. I see that as a problem. At the same time the Caps have 3 left shot defensemen that only play even strength minutes(Orlov, Kempny Djoos). I don't see replacements for the 2 mentioned defensive defensemen among the 3 left shot defensemen including Orlov.

Do you??

A bunch of people have REPEATEDLY pointed out to you that Orlov was good enough to play a regular PK shift on a cup winner and you still go with the mantra that he can only play even strength minutes.

"Dense" doesn't quite cover it. "Obtuse" is more like it
 

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Orlov was 4th among defense that playoffs. Niskanen and Orpik played more then 3 mins per game. Orlov played 1.5mins per game. This is because Kempny and Djoos were worse. This past playoffs Orlov didn't play pk. We have established that.

Are you seriously suggesting that with Niskanen AND Orpik gone the Caps are good in pk and critical defensive situations because they have Orlov??

Do you think there's something Orpik brings to PK that Orlov doesn't? They're both willing to block shots. Orpik crosschecks everyone in the crease including the goalie so his "defense" there is a mixed bag. The biggest asset he has over Orlov is that if a slapshot breaks his shin he's replaceable, whereas without Orlov the Caps would become sluggish at even strength to the point where it would tire out the lineup.

Ever wonder why old defensemen who become too slow and too unskilled for even strength find a home on the PK? Orpik, Gill, Hainsey, Polak, Scuderi, Russell, Jeff freaking Schultz, you name it. Because that's the easiest position to play for a defenseman unless he's tiny and easily intimidated. Stand in shooting lanes, slap the puck away, try to tie up the attacker but if you don't it's no big deal because hey you're a gritty vet. Don't even need to take a stride half the time. Clearly beyond Orlov's skillset, but hey maybe Deryk Engelland will be available.
 

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I am saying MacLellan isn't going to do it. You might but he wont. You can make a good case either way but MacLellan hasn't shown any signs of throwing everything in for one more shot. Its my read that he thinks the team can be kept competitive for the rest of Ov's career and he will need that first round pick.

Either he will trade or he wont. We will see. Right?

Kevin Shattenkirk?
 

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Sounds to me like Oleg Kavasha. Guy had some of the best skills in the league then would just disappear in games.

He's a prime candidate to take off on a new team with good linemates/deployment/top 6 ice time like Strome has this year.
 

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He's a prime candidate to take off on a new team with good linemates/deployment/top 6 ice time like Strome has this year.
I could see Lou trade a mid round pick for him or JHS plus a 4th/5th if he feels he can’t do better in FA.
 

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I'd rather have Wilson at 5 million through his prime over Tkachuk at 9-10. That's too much of a difference in cap hit and Wilson brings some valuable things Tkachuk doesn't (and vice versa)

Valimaki would be a non starter unless we were expressly shopping him, it would be like trading Samsonov for Monahan if Calgary was organizationally strong in goal.

Probably no fit then. We need grit in our top nine and only have D to sell.
 

txpd

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A bunch of people have REPEATEDLY pointed out to you that Orlov was good enough to play a regular PK shift on a cup winner and you still go with the mantra that he can only play even strength minutes.

And bad enough to be taken off of the pk the next season. I will let it go.
 

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