M.A. Fleury a Hall of Famer?

[Intact]

Goalies better than Fleury since the lockout: Rask, Thomas, Lunqdvist, Luongo, Price, Quick, Miller.

Not very close to Belfour, and worse than Cujo by a reasonable amount.

The Hall of Fame gets a lot of things wrong, this one would be bad even for HoF standards if he makes it

 

[Barrie22]

Goalies better than Fleury since the lockout: Rask, Thomas, Lunqdvist, Luongo, Price, Quick, Miller.

Not very close to Belfour, and worse than Cujo by a reasonable amount.

The Hall of Fame gets a lot of things wrong, this one would be bad even for HoF standards if he makes it

Goalie standards are through the roof.

Its almost as if they set the standard so high for the goalies they almost can never select one.

 

[Captain And Coke]

He has a similar resume to Rogie Vachon, slightly more wins, but minus a Vezina. Rogie got in, but it took 35 years.

He'll get in probably, but a Vezina or two would make his induction look better.

 

[johnnybbadd]

Don’t know if this has been mentioned earlier in this thread but his career right now is very similar to Vernon in my opinion even down to the bad playoff performances in between nice cup runs in both their careers. Fleury has more time to be better than Vernon though.

 

[Sombastate]

Yeah, in a group of 36 other goalies, i don't think he belongs.

So, I'll say no. But also wouldn't be surprised if he was accepted

 

[ColbyChaos]

Goalies better than Fleury since the lockout: Rask, Thomas, Lunqdvist, Luongo, Price, Quick, Miller.

Not very close to Belfour, and worse than Cujo by a reasonable amount.

The Hall of Fame gets a lot of things wrong, this one would be bad even for HoF standards if he makes it

What does Crow have to do to get any respect

 

[Ingvar]

IMO, Fleury is well behind Barasso in HHOF worthiness and I don’t see Barasso making it anytime soon.

 

[Chimpradamus]

He shouldn't be in. He has been way, way too inconsistent in his career. If he was HHOF material, Pittsburgh wouldn't have begged Vegas to take him. He has been incredibly lucky with his teams in his career though. When he went down, it didn't stop Vegas from winning with their backup, or even their AHL goalie. Fleury had a great postseason, but come on now, he was well rested and his team wasn't exactly playing like trash.

When Fleury is hot, he's hot, but he's been cold too often and for too long in his career. If I could pick any goalie in a must win game, Fleury is pretty far down the list. He's like a box of chocolates.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

3 Stanley cups, 5 cup finals. That's a pretty strong case right there regardless as to whether he should be, or not.

 

[Chimpradamus]

3 Stanley cups, 5 cup finals. That's a pretty strong case right there regardless as to whether he should be, or not.

That's simplifying things greatly. If this was an individual sport, sure. He wasn't the starter or lost the starting job in 2/3 of those cups. Craig Adams had cups with Carolina (2006) and Pittsburgh (2009). Does that mean he should be in the discussion of a spot in HHOF?

 

[BigEezyE22]

He shouldn't be in. He has been way, way too inconsistent in his career. If he was HHOF material, Pittsburgh wouldn't have begged Vegas to take him. He has been incredibly lucky with his teams in his career though. When he went down, it didn't stop Vegas from winning with their backup, or even their AHL goalie. Fleury had a great postseason, but come on now, he was well rested and his team wasn't exactly playing like trash.

When Fleury is hot, he's hot, but he's been cold too often and for too long in his career. If I could pick any goalie in a must win game, Fleury is pretty far down the list. He's like a box of chocolates.

Pittsburgh "begged" Vegas to take him bc he's 10 years older and $2m more expensive than Matt Murray.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

That's simplifying things greatly. If this was an individual sport, sure. He wasn't the starter or lost the starting job in 2/3 of those cups. Craig Adams had cups with Carolina (2006) and Pittsburgh (2009). Does that mean he should be in the discussion of a spot in HHOF?

And he did nothing tangible to be a part of the NHL.

Fleury will more than likely break 500 career NHL wins and could have 100 career playoff wins. Should also reach 50 shutouts.

While not a tremendous career, thsts still a pretty damn good one.

 

[ZeroPucksGiven]

He has a similar resume to Rogie Vachon, slightly more wins, but minus a Vezina. Rogie got in, but it took 35 years.

He'll get in probably, but a Vezina or two would make his induction look better.

Seemed like Vachon was more of a "we feel sorry that you had to wait this long and the other candidates this year are weak so we can probably make this work. Plus you're a nice guy"

So I'm not sure if he's the HOF goalie gold standard

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

And he did nothing tangible to be a part of the NHL.

Fleury will more than likely break 500 career NHL wins and could have 100 career playoff wins. Should also reach 50 shutouts.

While not a tremendous career, thsts still a pretty damn good one.

while getting to play behind 2 of the 3 best players in the league for a decade, and half the time in a league with no ties. Shootouts inflate win totals

context matters.

 

[justafan22]

Holtby has a better case TBH

 

[GoldenSeal]

while getting to play behind 2 of the 3 best players in the league for a decade, and half the time in a league with no ties. Shootouts inflate win totals

context matters.

Without players scoring goals, you don't win games or Championships. Context matters. If it was that easy, Crosby would have two fists full of Rings. He don't and it ain't.

Imo, Flower is on the fence in terms of making the HOF. His regular season/playoff numbers are in range, he has Cups and is a 3x All Star. What he really needs is a Vezina and preferably a Smythe. He gets both of those, he can make the HOF. He gets one of those, he -could- make the Hall with another Cup.

 

[GoldenSeal]

Holtby has a better case TBH

One Cup, One Jennings, One Vezina, Multiple All-Stars and better numbers than Flower. Holtby should get in, first ballot.

 

[ZeroPucksGiven]

One Cup, One Jennings, One Vezina, Multiple All-Stars and better numbers than Flower. Holtby should get in, first ballot.

Uh let's not crown Holtby just yet. Agree if he continues his current pace he looks to get in. But he could suffer a hip or back injury tomorrow that derails his career.
As it sits NOW, he's not even close to in

 

[justafan22]

Uh let's not crown Holtby just yet. Agree if he continues his current pace he looks to get in. But he could suffer a hip or back injury tomorrow that derails his career.
As it sits NOW, he's not even close to in

Yeah, that's fair. If he continues his pace right now but has no more individual awards, he's basically put up similar numbers to luongo, who is a likely hall of fame. Play 4-5 more years of good hockey and it becomes a dicussion

 

[WJCJ]

A good regular season goaltender with a wildly inconsistent playoff resume is not a hall of famer to me.

 

[Ivan13]

3 Stanley cups, 5 cup finals. That's a pretty strong case right there regardless as to whether he should be, or not.

What a terrible argument. Of his 3 Cups he won one as a starter.

 

[TheSituation]

And he did nothing tangible to be a part of the NHL.

Fleury will more than likely break 500 career NHL wins and could have 100 career playoff wins. Should also reach 50 shutouts.

While not a tremendous career, thsts still a pretty damn good one.

Can we please please please stop pretending that wins today hold the same weight as they did pre-lockout???

 

[ColbyChaos]

3 Stanley cups, 5 cup finals. That's a pretty strong case right there regardless as to whether he should be, or not.

Osgood has 5 appearences and isnt even close to being in. Fact of the matter is Fleury has never even been a top 5 goalie in any given season until this year even then you could still argue that Crawford, Vasilevski, Hellebuyck, Rinne, Bob, etc were better goalies this season.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

while getting to play behind 2 of the 3 best players in the league for a decade, and half the time in a league with no ties. Shootouts inflate win totals

context matters.

It does. Shootouts would add around 6 wins a year for Fleury I would say. I also said he has a strong case, not that he's a for sure hall of famer. Reading comprehension matters, too.

What a terrible argument. Of his 3 Cups he won one as a starter.

He also played really well for Pittsburgh and got them far enough in one for Murray to return, I guess that doesn't matter ?

Can we please please please stop pretending that wins today hold the same weight as they did pre-lockout???

While they don't hold the same, it's not like this is adding 200 extra wins to a goalie in their career. Not yet anyways. That goalie would also need need to play 20 years and average 10 extra wins by shootout a season.

Osgood has 5 appearences and isnt even close to being in. Fact of the matter is Fleury has never even been a top 5 goalie in any given season until this year even then you could still argue that Crawford, Vasilevski, Hellebuyck, Rinne, Bob, etc were better goalies this season.

Was Osgood even considered a top 20 goalie in most of those season ? Fleury at least ranks, or should rank higher than Osgood did compared to his peers. There are also random players from the Montreal Dynasty teams and the Islanders 4 peat teams that are in just because.

However, again I point to the fact that I said he has a strong case. He does have a strong case. Will he actually get there, who knows.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Was Osgood even considered a top 20 goalie in most of those season ? Fleury at least ranks, or should rank higher than Osgood did compared to his peers..

no. he doesnt

Osgood has 1x AS-2 and a Vezina record of 2, 7, 10, 11
MAF has never been higher than AS-6, and has a Vezina record of 7, 8